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To answer the original question fat became a 4 letter word in the late 90's when it became PHAT.
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Josh said he was 150 over weight.

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I know that you are just trying to bulk up for the little kiddies at Christmas time.
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Fat became a four letter word when FAT people started running things and companies started marketing "weight loss" pills on tv. Those fat kids in high school that everyone remebers are now part of some government agency that can make life miserable for everyone. Just because some people can't control thier eating means it's NOT THIER FAULT!!!! Mcdonalds MAKES ME EAT THERE, I can't help it I have no control, GOVERNMENT HELP ME!!!!!

I'm 6'8" and just tried to get health insurance and the reason I was rejected is my HEIGHT, which I can't control, and my weight (385), which I can do something about. I have NEVER been in the hospital and never had anything worse than the flu AND my blood pressure is good. Do I blame the insurance company? Not really, they didn't make me FAT, I did. I have NEVER eaten anything I didn't want to.

I am 6'8 and the government says I need to weigh LESS THAN 220 pounds to NOT BE OBESE. I weighed 230 when I played sophmore football in h.S. and that was after playing a season of sophmore water polo(I was recruited from my junior high) and spending the summer surfing. I was not fat. I want to weigh 300 and then I will go down from there.
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On 2007-07-24 19:53, Al Angello wrote:
Don
Don't be so offended. This thread is about the sanitizing of the English language, and I'm sure I would like your mom if I ever met her. You should be concerned with the watering down of the English language as mush as the rest of us are.

It appears to be about demanding the right to be rude. There are definitely things which have become unfashionable to say because of "Political Correctness", and I find this trend as irritating as you do.
Calling someone a fat slob doesn't make you a daring and outspoken defyer of P. C., it simply indicates that you are rude, and that there was something wrong with your upbringing.
Fat means the same thing now that it meant then. My point is, it's a rude thing to call someone now, just as it was then.
What, exactly, makes it your business? I'm inclined to think that most fat people don't need anyone to tell them that they are fat. I don't.
I can take good-natured kidding about my weight, and trust me, I get some.
That's not what I detect in this thread. There's a nasty "superior" tone here.
You want to kid me about my weight, that's fine.
Just don't start judging me until you've walked around in my size 42s.
Want to talk about taking "personal responsibility"? I taught the loudmouth that called my mother fat a lesson about personal responsibility.
Hey, you have a right to say what you want, it's (still) a free country. Just remember other people have a right to be offended by ill-mannered personal remarks.
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On 2007-07-24 23:22, Big Jeff wrote:

I'm 6'8" and just tried to get health insurance and the reason I was rejected is my HEIGHT, which I can't control, and my weight (385), ...

I am 6'8 and the government says I need to weigh LESS THAN 220 pounds to NOT BE OBESE.

Where does that come from? Based on which measure, I mean?

With a weight of 220 pounds, your basic BMI would be 24.17. Which is "normal" and far from obese.

It would take a weight of 273 pounds to get your BMI to 29.99 (obese starts at 30).

See:

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/defining.htm
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BUT ISN'T IT UNHEALTHY TO BE FAT?

Just being fat does not signify poor health. In fact, research shows that the health risks once associated with weight may instead by attributable to yo-yo dieting. Because fatness is most often caused by heredity and dieting history, and because 95-98% of all diets fail over three years, it is becoming apparent that remaining at a high, but stable weight and concentrating on personal fitness rather than thinness may be the healthiest way to deal with the propensity to be fat.

We must also consider that in our society, it is very difficult for fat people to stay healthy and become fit. Due to prejudicial medical treatment and harassment by health care professionals, many fat people do not receive adequate preventative health care, and procrastinate seeking treatment when there is a medical problem. In addition, many fat people do not feel comfortable participating in activities that would lead to a greater level of fitness due to social stigma.

People of all sizes can strive for fitness by making sensible food choices, following an exercise program, and getting regular check-ups.

WHY DO WE USE THE WORD "FAT" SO FREELY?

"Fat" is not a four-letter word. It is an adjective, like short, tall, thin, or blonde. While society has given it a derogatory meaning, we find that identifying ourselves as "fat" is an important step in casting off the shame we have been taught to feel about our bodies.


The above if from a fat rights organization. Hopefully it can answer many of your questions. Please note that they are NOT saying that you should pig out on every little thing.

The facts behind being fat are far more complex than many people realize. The body will fight quite vigorously to keep its fat stores, once it has them, because that is what evolution has programmed us to do.

The biggest problem, besides the highly processed foods and sedintary lifestyles many of us lead (and yes, that includes many thin people as well), is the fact that many so-called "cures" have come and gone over the last 150 years. Nearly all of them ineffective, many of them downright dangerous, even deadly.

People have committed suicide because of the treatment they have received at the hands of supposed friends and relatives (many with good intentions), as well as those whose outright distain for anyone who's different from them.

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Fat became a four letter word when FAT people started running things and companies started marketing "weight loss" pills on tv.


Ok, tell me when fat people started running things. I don't see fat people in charge in many places. As a matter of fact, the great majority of fat people are actually among the poor, not the rich, and it doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon.
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Why do you assume fat people 'pig out'? My main problem was quitting smoking at the same time I couldn't walk around for a year. I don't eat bad food nor do I eat a lot. My problem is I don't eat until later in the day and that is opposite of what I should be doing. If I could excersize normally I would be able to get the weight off combined with low calorie intake throughout the day.

I can relate to DStachowiak in that many years ago in high school my mother was leaving the main office, at that time she was very heavy, and the guy standing next to me said "Look at that fat b!tch". I looked at him and told him who she was and I felt horrible for her and for myself. I never hassled her and she finally lost weight and dropped dead about two weeks after reaching her goal weight. After almost 30 years I'm still bothered by the comments that guy made about my mother and I'm no where near a momma's boy.

The BMI is nonsense and the calculations wrong, except for those pitiful thin types that fall into it. When I was in the service (5'11" and 160 pounds) I was considered over weight, in fact everyone I knew was considered overweight because we all worked out and were over the BMI because we were not scrawny. We had one guy who was about 5'6" who was hard core into body building. The doctor said he was about 50 pounds overweight. His body fat was almost zero so he walked into the doctors office, a young lady doctor, in his skivies and said "show me my fat", she gave up on her BMI program.

I can pretty much assure you we fat people would prefer to be thin. But keep this is mind kids, at age 25 I was 165, at 32 200, at 40 over 300....so you young guys pat your tummy that is so cute and flat now and look at your girlfriend, wait, I forgot you are magicians, your neighbors girlfriends lil' flat tummy and remember, most of us looked like you and her at one time. Oh, last thing you athletic still studs in your 30's who are going to live forever. My perfectly fit, thin, athletic best friend died at 39 leaving two children under the age of ten w/out a father due to cancer, and he didn't smoke gangsters. Don't get cocky as you don't know what is down the road.
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On a recent trip to New York City I noticed that in Manhattan there are no over weight people. There were no wheel chairs, no one uses a cain, and the elderly people are all quite fit. New York city is a pedestrian city, and if you can't keep up you stay away from the big apple.

PS- my original reason for starting this thread was so we can laugh at our culture. I had no idea that so man would take me seriously.
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I'm amused when people use a term or phrase to describe a widely used word, as if facts and feelings will be changed magically by not using the wicked old word. Now, I don't think it's acceptable to go around calling people names in a derogatory way ... that's just rude. Being rude has little to do with PC. PC is a fashionable way to use a demeaning name out in the open. If we could somehow detach ourselves from the old meaning?

I predict the next word our society will convert to fit their social acts of kindness mantra will be the word, alcoholic, after all, "it is a disease." Smile

So, put on your thinking caps boys. We need to reinvent a name for all of those lushes out their before Linsay Lohan gets out of jail. How about, HDS (Hollywood Drinking Syndrome)?
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Fat? About the same time as stupid, lazy, indolent, misguided, nasty, criminal etc went under the knife to become "ethically challenged" or "alternatively cognitive".


One of the words folks flee is "pandering", as it implies both a weakness and a willingness to profit by exploiting the weakness of another.

Language. We have a rich and polyglot language which offers us the resources to communicate with a precision that likely has no historical precedent. Why then do we spend so much effort to conceal meaning behind what we claim are the feelings of others?
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Might I weigh in on the topic?
It's true that sedentary lifestyles are big contributers to being overweight, but Justin Style put his finger on another, less obvious, factor--corporate sugar. High-fructose corn syrup is put in a vast array of processed foods: not just baked goods and soft drinks, but canned vegetables and fruits, breads, dairy products, snacks of every description, juices, and so on. One has to really look hard to find products that are not loaded with gratuitous calories, and, even worse, we have become so accustomed to the underlying sweetness of most things that edibles without sugar are not as palatable.

Another major factor is portion size, especially in restaurants: I recently read an interview with a woman who had been a waitress for decades, and she remarked that what used to be a serving-platter amount was now to be found on an individual's plate!

My point is not that exercize and moderation are not crucial, but that people trying to lose excess avoirdupois, or trying to maintain a healthy weight, need to know what they are up against.
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Av... that's exactly what I meant about eating like a dog.

If you wish to eat the way a dog eats and to eat things which are not healthful... what can you expect.

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On 2007-07-25 03:55, MagicSanta wrote:

The BMI is nonsense and the calculations wrong, except for those pitiful thin types that fall into it. When I was in the service (5'11" and 160 pounds) I was considered over weight, in fact everyone I knew was considered overweight because we all worked out and were over the BMI because we were not scrawny.

5'11" and 160 pounds translates into a BMI of 22.3 which is "normal weight", and certainly not overweight.

See http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

I can't comment on what they told you in the service. Maybe they had no clue how to do the calculations correctly, or how to read the chart properly? Or have they updated the charts since then?

Anyway, of course, BMI is still just one measure among many. It isn't appropriate for everyone, but it is a decent rough guide for most of the population.
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On 2007-07-24 21:15, Doug Higley wrote:
Justin...did you ever hear the term Mind Your Own F'n Business? Who the hell are you to call Josh a 'Slob'? What's it to you? Somebody give you a mandate to butt in to his disgusting life? He's also a nincompoop, so you in on that too?

Josh...Got your back.

Oh Justin...don't miss the fact that Josh can run a few circles, mentally, around most people on your block. Smile

Oh (again)...what moron wonders WHY they have gained a few pounds? But there you are to enlighten that moron...good for you...just be aware of those of us who gain and know exactly why...exactly how to lose it and are tired of busy bodies.

Yeah it's about the English Language...it's about when did the term 'SO WHAT?" get removed?


Thanks Doug..... I think.
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I vote for violence myself.
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I vote for remaining a Hermit in full distain.

Your welcome Josh. Us nincompoops must stick together. (But at a distance)
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Many of you are right ,people are lazy too much convenience ,or jobs that lack physical work ,look at a office worker compaired to a roofer ,they ate the same dinners the office worker would be 500 lbs,and the roofer would be 160 lbs.I myself have a job that is physical ,the other benifit is you gain strong muscles.
moving around a 1,200 lb gas engine isn't too much of a challance for me .pulling it along a steel floor & down ramps to a skid last fall amaised my freinds
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A few years ago there was a university study of the Amish, trying to determine how they stay (comparatively) thin, despite eating more than the average American. Despite their preference to avoid most technology, several Amish men and women agreed to wear pedometers for a period of time.

What the researchers found is that an average Amish woman walks about seven miles every day, and an average Amish man walks about twelve miles every day. The reporter on NPR who was covering the story interviewed one Amish man who was returning with his horse and mule from a day of plowing; he'd walked twenty-five miles that day.

People like that can eat pretty much anything they want, in pretty much any amount they want.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to drop the van off at Costco to get a flat tire repaired. It's about four miles from here and I'm going to run back home; I'm training for my first Ride & Tie race (coincidentally, 25 miles) in October.
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Enginemagic...Too lazy? Says who? And there is never too much convienience...what am I a freakin' Pioneer or Jungle Dweller? The problem begins with the lumping of INDIVIDUALS in some nebulous conglomerate grouping...and claiming that trumped up group SHOULD behave per the questionable rules being set up outside their own personal space.

If I come across some slob (or skinny person) who stinks to high heaven and invades my space with that odor maybe I have a gripe...but if there is a large person within view minding their own business what the hell is it to me? Or you?

When was the turning point in this country's History when a huge portion of the population became sanctioned busy bodies?
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