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Andrew Richmond Loyal user Birmingham - UK 252 Posts |
Refraction is as advertised a bending wine glass effect, the advertising blurb is a little adventurous with 'borrowed wine glass' terminology that is used..
The handling is pretty much what you'd expect and the required move is by no means revolutionary in fact it is what you would come up with yourself.. At no time on the DVD does it say that Mr Lesley has given permission, Mr. Penn thanks Mr Lesley but that is not quite the same thing. Ted Lesley does explain all you need to know in his excellent book Paramiracles released years ago and also on his Cabaret Mind Reading DVD put out at least 5 or 6 years ago. I find it somewhat strange that the TV rights have been held back on this effect yet the creator is Ted Lesley, the handling is a little different but as mentioned not revolutionary.. My score out of 10 would be 1 /10 as it is pretty much a rehash of an effect that the creator released many years ago with no restrictions on TV rights. I would purchase Ted Lesley's Cabaret Mind Reading DVD or Paramiracles and get this and a host of other effects thrown in at the same price if not slightly less than Refraction By David Penn.. A.R.
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Al Straker Grammar Host Australia 1130 Posts |
Thank Andrew. Having been a huge fan of Ted's work for many years, I had wondered how original this was and you have answered that nicely.
Cheers, Al
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cardbiker Inner circle 1525 Posts |
Yes Andrew a fine review, and I might add a very generous rating.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18149 Posts |
I have the Lee Earle's MANIFESTATIONS version of this effect from the late 80's and early 90's. It sounds as if the method is the same. The routine looked similar on youtube. I thought that it was a totally different method. Guess I was wrong. Glad I didn't BITE. Thanks for the review
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Marc Spelmann Special user London U.K. 666 Posts |
I liked this effect and I think David who I know has made some really nice changes, I can see Andrews points and am not really in a position to pass judgement as I don't know what agreement David had with Ted Lesley..
If Ted Lesley was contacted and fine with the release then I gues there is no harm done.. Spelmann
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Jaz2005 Veteran user I wish I had time to get more than 339 Posts |
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Martin Waring Posted: Jul 21, 2007 Here are some real reviews from professional and accredited performers. |
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Marc Spelmann Special user London U.K. 666 Posts |
I have just spoken with David about this effect and congratulated him on something I always wanted to do but never did. Suffice to say he was initially concerned with the simularity with Ted Lesleys effect but after much discussion with well versed professionals he put this out through world magic..
A point I made to him was that his handling and thus the usability of this effect is VERY different to the original. It now makes it something that many of us here can and I am sure will use. Bending a fork or a spoon has been done many times and we constantly purchase different handlings and methods, this is exactly that a very different handling that makes the effect in their hands and so much more useable for many professionals.. The majority of work in the UK is close up mix and mingle and the original effect couldn't be done in that environment, this however can be which makes it a value purchase. David explains every element and subtlety in detail which takes it to literally miracle status, this is so much more than their signed card as a momento, a soggy bill that was in a lemon this will be kept and the story will be exagerated through the years.. I purchase very little these days but this to me personally is a stronge effect.. Spelmann
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Jaz2005 Veteran user I wish I had time to get more than 339 Posts |
Great review Marc,
It seems that the professional performers know the value of the effect as performed by David. They also have the ability to take it and make it their own. We have had numerous positive calls and emails from all over the world regarding this including, Gerard Senehi, who confirmed that this was a very good and different method of performance. Do we listen to one of the UK's Top Mentalists and other accredited performers such as Kenny from Kernow Magic, or a guy with a picture of an ESP card who does not appear to have purchased the product according to our sales records. Best regards Jaz |
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Quentin Inner circle 1020 Posts |
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On 2007-07-25 05:01, Marc Spelmann wrote: After much discussion with everyone except Ted Lesley????? |
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Quentin Inner circle 1020 Posts |
Having posted the above - what better way to find out more than to talk with David Penn on the phone?
David told me he saw Ted Lesley perform the bending wine glass at a lecture about 1997 and it impressed him very much. Later on Ted's DVD, Ted Lesley said he got the idea from psychics who had a hands on presentation. Ted wanted a hands off presentation and developed what appeared in Paramiracles. Incidentally Ted performed his bending wine glass for me in Berlin some years ago and it looked truly amazing. David Penn wanted to develop a presentation that he'd perform at the Top table at close-up events. Just a one-off performance piece that would be talked about. And he wanted a hands-on performance - where it apparently happened in the spectator's hands Now, I have not seen the DVD and can't comment on methods or similarities but on the face of it anything that happens in the spectator's hands will have a far greater effect on an audience than something happening outside of their hands. David also pointed out the difficulty in contacting Ted Lesley before taping. While Ted has popped up recently here on the Café, and is happily getting back to his old self, it is true that contacting him wasn't easy. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18149 Posts |
Who contacted Lee Earle ? I believe his copyright is 1991.
Sixteen years ago.
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man of magic New user 6 Posts |
Performed this last night at a family do and freaked evrybody with it.
The DVD explains the handling very well and wont take long for a professional to master before you put it in the act. Will be performing this at my Close up gigs from now on , Starting Tonight. If you are a professional Close up Worker you will use this. Michael J Fitch |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5947 Posts |
Michael, have you thanked Ted Leslie and Lee Earl? I just wanted to be the first to get that current buzz phrase in here.
Also wanted to let Jaz know that the esteemed professionals of England are for the most part virtual nobodies in the US. Kenny at Kernow Magic????? We are pretty slow on the uptake of your talent pool. You are going to have to get better known endoursements than that for the US market... or it would appear of late more visible endoursements. Cheers, Tom |
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KernowMagic New user 12 Posts |
Hi Tom,
Interesting take..... I didn't know that you had to be a known entity in the USA in order to do a review on this forum. As for my credibility, here in the UK and half of Europe most people in the magic community know me, we also have "some" coverage in parts of the USA. Just part of what we do...... We are the creators of the UK Mystery School put together by myself along with my friends Jeff McBride and Eugene Burger. Anyone wishing to know more about the UK masteclasses please don not hesitate to contact me at kenny@kernowmagic.co.uk Best Kenny http://www.kernowmagic.co.uk
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5947 Posts |
I see you have altered your post since you first posted it and before I replied to your question regarding your question of endoursing this product.
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On 2007-07-25 05:18, Jaz2005 wrote: Hi Kenny, It would appear that the implication is you endourse this product, by which I don't mean you have any financial gain but rather review it favorably. "Some coverage" in the US probably makes you a virtual nobody on the West Coast, being that you are in England. We couldn't even get the Kinks across our country more than once every couple of years, even though they toured the East Coast at least once every year or more it seemed. Cheers, Tom |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18149 Posts |
Seems like the UK dudes are behind this as the US dudes think that it's been borrowed from someone. Is this the general take on this?
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Gochos Regular user 175 Posts |
Right I think its time I replied here. As for UK Dudes giving this a thumbs up compared to US dudes, that's because US dudes haven't seen it yet because it was only on Friday 20th the product started being shipped. So this shows all US Dudes that think its been borrowed, is all speculation and criticizing before seeing the actual product. Now how this can happen with accurate statements is beyond me. Maybe mentalists do have the actual power to watch a DVD that is sitting in a warehouse a few thousand miles across a very large pond.
Now to something that Tom Cutts seems to comment on "esteemed professionals of England are for the most part virtual nobodies in the US." Well it makes you guys in the states look like even bigger nobodies as you are a much bigger country than little old England in comparison, so if we don't know who you Guys are, then surely that makes you even bigger nobodies than us. I'm not starting an argument, but please Guys stop all this childish behavior and lets concentrate on matters that are more important. Like helping each other and finding positives, rather than always the negatives and an excuse to always look as though we know better. |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5947 Posts |
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On 2007-07-26 14:38, Gochos wrote: Agreed. I've only pointed out the futility of using endoursements by people who are unknown to a part of the market you are marketing to. Quote:
Well it makes you guys in the states look like even bigger nobodies as you are a much bigger country than little old England in comparison, so if we don't know who you Guys are, then surely that makes you even bigger nobodies than us. So you understand my point, thank you. Internationally recognized talent should be used for international endoursements, especially if you are going to come off a little high and mighty about your endoursements. |
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Gochos Regular user 175 Posts |
Tom Cutts
"Agreed. I've only pointed out the futility of using endoursements by people who are unknown to a part of the market you are marketing to. " You are contradicting yourself here as the DVD is endorsed by Mark Oberon. With the Amount of Bang Ons that were sold and still are being sold world wide, you cannot say he is unknown in the USA or World Wide. I do not understand your point at all. |
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Jaz2005 Veteran user I wish I had time to get more than 339 Posts |
Hi Tom,
I am guessing that your posts are meant to be tongue in cheek. Taken as such, I will now rise for your bait. Firstly, endorsements is spelled without the ( U). I am not really sure what an endoursement is. Perhaps it is an endorsement given by a Scotsman who are generally thought of as being Dour. However, being Scottish, I can testify to the fact that that assessment of Scots people is incorrect. I think you will know Gerard Senehi. Contact Gerard and ask him for his opinion on the presentation of this effect by David. I have had the benefit of his opinion from his own mouth and direct into my ear. Guess what? He likes the effect and thought that David brought a new dimension to it That guy has an opinion that I would certainly listen to. Just like Kenny, Quentin, Marc Spellman, Michael Fitch, Marc Oberon and many others, they all love this effect but then they are all professionals. Slim, You gotta be informed to make a worthwhile comment and you are just not informed on this matter. You just keep spouting the same old same old. As I stated before, David Penn has a very original routine and handling of an effect which is hundreds of years old. That routine is called REFRACTION. It is not borrowed or stolen or copied. Watch out for it in your local magic dealer, buy a copy and when you have watched it and feel qualified to comment, then I may take you seriously. The previously proffered Olive Branch is withdrawn temporarily whilst you persist with your repetitious comments that have been answered in this and another thread. Perhaps being a mentalist has given you a short term memory problem. Having said that, I do love your avatar on this site. Is that you doing an impression of Harry Potter, who in turn is doing an impression of Mr T?. On your Radio ESP site I see you are doing another impression, one of George Bush when that guy stole his watch. I thought you were a mentalist and all this time your are an impersonator. By the way, have you credited Maxwell, Loomis, Hughes, Edison, Hertz, Tesla, Popov, Marconi, (not to be confused with macaroni) Father Landell de Moura, Bose, etc for their work on the invention of RADIO. Be good all Jaz |
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