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Newb2
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What the. The online store just closed. And my order was placed like 30 seconds before it closed. Hopefully there aren't any errors Smile
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You know what...
Though we all knew it was a store.
To tell you the truth, I am tired of paying $25 bucks for one trick.

The old school books had 50 times the material for the price and they were worked on tried and true just as these 1 off tricks are. (yeah I said old school and these books were phat!)

What happened to paul Harris and Michael close and john bannon and david regal and simon lovell. What happened to books FULL of material to try and experiment and see if they fit you.

You know what...I had money in my hand ready to spend it and this just put me off.

This is another site for children who think that a wacky looking deck of cards makes you a better magician.

Card tricks are designed to look as though you are using regular everyday objects to perform miracles. Get over the fancy decks.
They are meaningless garbage that take away from what should look amazing.

*** it I feel taken.

When I started seriously in magic I bought jc wagners videos and paul Harris's books for about 160 bucks
I wish I stopped there. Id be good.
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You don't have to buy them Smile All mine.
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I'll be interested in seeing how this site develops, particularly the "1 on 1" teaching, and reading the reviews of some of the tricks. I like the various magicians involved in the venture and generally am really positive about the idea that the creators are involved in the business.

After reading through the site and watching all the videos, I'm a little bummed at how "single trick" oriented it is. Everything is a fast, visual effect taught on DVD -- that's fine, but it's basically the street magic/E template, and I was hoping that Theory 11 might be more diverse than this.

I appreciate what one of the guys on the site said about wanting to make sure the DVDs were engaging on their own as pieces of filmmaking... so I'm hoping that the style of the trailers isn't necessarily the style of the DVDs themselves. Personally, I don't really like the E DVDs and if one thing on this new site has surprised me is its how close to the E-style the demos are. Demos can be cut in so many different ways but they've pretty much followed the model of all of E's stuff. I guess since Jonathan Baymer and Houchin have been involved with E that there's some reason for this. But I hope the DVDs have more in-depth and patient teaching and a style of their own.
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Single tricks have been aorund for years and years, nothings changed except they come with dvd instructions instead of a booklet. plenty of books out there. I like getting the gimmicks personally
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I've got nothing against single tricks. I have plenty of them. It's just that after all the talk on the teasers about "creativity" and moving magic forward I was expecting something that actually addressed the process of inspiring creativity in all of us rather than us picking up more marketed effects.

And, like the trend at E with the Garcia products, at least one product here -- the Lee Asher -- is a re-release of something available previously and cheaper ($12) on his lecture notes.
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On 2007-09-01 01:31, bugjack wrote:
I've got nothing against single tricks. I have plenty of them. It's just that after all the talk on the teasers about "creativity" and moving magic forward I was expecting something that actually addressed the process of inspiring creativity in all of us rather than us picking up more marketed effects.

And, like the trend at E with the Garcia products, at least one product here -- the Lee Asher -- is a re-release of something available previously and cheaper ($12) on his lecture notes.
God...Lee can recycle his own product if he wants to. He probably put variations and such.
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Looking at the site, theory 11 seems like an exact duplicate of ellusionist. Well, at least they have many MANY similarities. They both have their own line of custom playing cards. Emphasis on single trick DVD's. Forum. Online customer service. If I didn't know any better, I would think of theory 11 as ellusionist 2.0.

Not bashing T11 though...it looks awesome, and I am PSYCHED about the Bicycle Guardians. I may grab a few decks after the initial flood of excitement is over, and I am also excited about the various tricks that are being released on T11. The fact that they are in the repertoire of such respected magicians really increases their value.
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On 2007-08-31 23:24, Blindside785 wrote:
This is like ellusionist...on sterioids.


'nuff said.
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Like ellusionist without stealing other peoples material?
Big deal.

I would have preferred to buy material directly from lee, aaron, etc.

Ill tell you this, I am not impressed by a 20 year old who has been eating from a silver spoon his whole life starting a business he never would have been able to start otherwise.

I cant believe I have been snowed like this
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Quote from the list of answers to the clues over on T11 . .

"http://www.whatistheory11.com/gravity/ Those of you who thought you saw an ISBN number in this image... were absolutely correct. "Team of Rivals" was utilized as a metaphor to the alliance that theory11 is."

So it WAS as simple as that.

Seems we didn't miss anything 'cept perhaps it was Dan White in the GRAVITY pic.
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It is too bad there is nothing really new and revolutionary. after all the troube we had mike I just want to take what good there is. I agree totally with yout statment about bayme
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I usually don't do this but at this point I repeat my post from page 113 because I saw it comming:

A successful and confident magician who is creative and developes original routines and/or molding an existing routine so it fits his/her personality don't need any Theory 11 or 12 or 13....

The confident performer who rolls up his sleeves and conceives an original routine makes him not just unique and successful but gives him enough confidence to chase such a Theory (or as we all now discovered an Ellusionist store in white). I tell you right know that all guys involved in this huge 11 campaign are probably laughing their ... off reading all those speculations spanning over 113 posts.

Take a moment and ask yourself why do I actually follow this? Why am I so drawn into the Theory 11 game?...You want to know? Because you depend on and dream of the ultimate trick that will make you shine without much effort. You are longing to find the holy grail, the ultimate Illusion like Smeagol chasing after the Ring (Character of Lord of the Rings movie).

Every new hyped up trick becomes a quick fix and when you receive it in the mail, open the package, read the instructions and try it out the high diminishes and is suddenly gone. Now you need to buy the next and newest trick to overcome that down...

By no means I want to point fingers here or make you feel bad. I have been there and write this out of my own experiences.

Go to the beach or mountains, go fishing or chase butterflies...Make love in the cornfield and dream up ways to make your magic special and unique. That is the only theory you will ever need because your personal creation will be yours forever. You perform it, have success with it and one day maybe you want to sell it. Call it Theory 33 or whatever...Originality is actually the mainspring of any artform.

How many painters out there paint or dare to paint like Picasso or Van Gogh? Right. None. If you love magic and it is more important in your life then just performing for your friends and family.... then turn your computer off, walk to a mirror and find out who you really are, what you want to become and what you can do to achieve it.

The moment you decide to not rightaway click that 'BUY' button of the newest hyped up trick, you are on the right path. Instead sit down, listen to some music that inspires you and start creating. Don't say or think 'I can't do it' I tell you that you can but you have to take the first step.

There is no better reward and satisfaction then your own creation, your personal trick and routine. You can do it but only when you stop to chase a dragon like Theory 11 and stop throwing your money into its throat.
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On 2007-09-01 01:23, toomuchmagic wrote:
What happened to books FULL of material to try and experiment and see if they fit you.

What do you mean, what happened to them?

There are still great books out there, and more coming out all the time.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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On 2007-09-01 02:00, Silvio Solaris wrote: . . .

A successful and confident magician who is creative and develops original routines and/or molding an existing routine so it fits his/her personality don't need any Theory 11 or 12 or 13....

The confident performer who rolls up his sleeves and conceives an original routine makes him not just unique and successful but gives him enough confidence to chase such a Theory . . .


You do realise that everything here that you said is exactly what theory 11 IS. Not only about trying to lead all of the younger newer magicians in this direction, hopefully steering them away from the trends they are falling into far to often now, but also encouraging and helping those who are already on this road. Those individuals ho you claim do not need to chase such a theory.

they DO, simply because they already are, otherwise they would not be the original thinker you describe.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

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Is this a big blow against ellusionist? anyone know?
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Look at the things they are selling. They are all hyped up effects working with gaffs. So?
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Although I'm envious of Bayme's position, I can't say I mind. He's 20 years old, does his own grand illusions stage show, and brought together huge names in magic to one site. He's promoting magic much more than most people on this board will in their life times.
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On 2007-09-01 02:12, Silvio Solaris wrote:
Look at the things they are selling. They are all hyped up effects working with gaffs. So?


umm.... so?
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I think this theory 11 thing isn't all that great. I hate it when they try to market one effect for $25-30. Those effects look to good to be true and I highly doubt they are impromptu. Most likely most are gaffed. We all know pips on playing cards cant really be seen in motion unless their is a gimmick involved. I am more of a book guy because for 25-30 bucks I could pick up a good few books with a ton more mind blowing things.
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