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Split coin would not work for what you described earlier if that's what you mean.
Eric Jones uses a flipper and performs this routine a lot so breakage doesn't seem to be a huge problem for him.
Replace the band with elastic thread and breakage will be even much less of an issue.
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On Jul 31, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
Doesn't matter I've found the Eric Jones' coins across that utilises this... Looks amazing

Sleepy


If you found it, would you mind sharing the source and/or name of his routine for it?

As others have said, the flipper is the only kind that can be shown so visibly open and then will close by itself. (Ok, there are others like the butter coin, but it's basically the same idea). Other types of gaffs just won't self-close off of a drop, especially not if the spectator is holding them.

Breakage is primarily an issue if you don't give care to maintenance. Check the flipper before performing, and inspect the band. Change it more frequently than you think you need. You'll be fine. It's not like playing with IET where it might just break from overstretching/misuse.
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Thanks for the info guys ....so I've mainly looked at 3 flippers...they first one is the NGF but I'm not sure if that would really work as I don't think its a gravity flipper .....the second one is Keith Barrets 10p flipper which is half normal and half gravity... So again I'm not sure if that would work with this routine...and lastly its tango's pro flipper which has a new system and such that makes it eaiser to repair.... Sooo those are the ones I'm looking at ....do you have any preferences in these or Amy others...???




This is where I found Eric Jones' coins across routine btw
https://youtu.be/iF8_Hw_C3Iw

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Sleepy,

You really need to do a little bit of research first.
The NGF *is* a gravity flipper, read the description, say, here: http://www.jbtvusa.com/latest-j-b-produc......-631.php

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The underground rumours are TRUE, we do have a brand new gravity flipper coin that has nothing to break, no springs, nothing to glue and no rubber band. This is called the Next Generation Flipper.


The Tango Pro flipper isn't necessarily a gravity, the pro is an internal band vs the non-pro which is an external band. But Tango does make gravity flippers, like this one: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S11023 though it looks like it's no longer made. (It might be that all the Pro's are now gravity, but I doubt it).

I'm unfamiliar with Keith Barret's flippers, but given the explanation you've gotten above, I'm unclear how it can be "half normal and half gravity". (Do you have a link?") But it will still work the way you want, because as we told you, both non-gravity *and* gravity flippers will self close and work with the routine...
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Ohhh thanks for the info....well the tango "no rubber band" pro elastic system flipper is what I was on about... If you stretch it enough then it claims can be made into a gravity.... I'll link you Keith Barrets flipper that says it is half gravity and half normal...and someone was saying on this thread that non gravity won't work as it might close prematurely if the spec is holding on to it..

Anyway this is Keith Barrets flipper
http://kbmagic.com/ten-pence-flipper-traditional/

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The Pro Gravity stands to what it says , except that it won't be permanently gravity . When you stretch it , the flipper will become a gravity one for a while , but after a while it'll return to bring normal . Unless you chose to tie the band looser , then you'll get one that's fully gravity . The one that comes in the package can be stretched but won't remain gravity for a long time .
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And it's worth mentioning that you can make a normal flipper become gravity . Simply superglue the band at the edges to the groove when stretched and it'll loosen the coin yet still make it tight enough such that it'll automatically close when dropped . However his proccess will cause additional trouble when replacing the band , but as far as I've tried the band will last as long as before altered .
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Nice.... Well I was thinking to just get a normal flipper and I already have a nice spool if elastic thread that I can replace the elastic with...if that Is possible.. Would it be possible??

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Nice.... Well I was thinking to just get a normal flipper and I already have a nice spool if elastic thread that I can replace the elastic with...if that Is possible.. Would it be possible??


I've done it many times.
Will send you some details via PM.
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Thanks...got your pm!

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Ohhh thanks for the info....well the tango "no rubber band" pro elastic system flipper is what I was on about... If you stretch it enough then it claims can be made into a gravity.... I'll link you Keith Barrets flipper that says it is half gravity and half normal...and someone was saying on this thread that non gravity won't work as it might close prematurely if the spec is holding on to it..

Anyway this is Keith Barrets flipper
http://kbmagic.com/ten-pence-flipper-traditional/

Thanks

Sleepy



Read that again. It says it's half *way* between a gravity and standard flipper. So the tension of the band isn't extremely loose, but also it's very tight.
To my eye from the video, it looks like it's more like a standard one, in that it doesn't just fall open, but that because of his mat, the flipper stays open and lies flat.

I think the choice you need to make for yourself is what you want to do with it, and that will decide what kind of flipper you want.
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On Aug 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
Ohhh thanks for the info....well the tango "no rubber band" pro elastic system flipper is what I was on about... If you stretch it enough then it claims can be made into a gravity.... I'll link you Keith Barrets flipper that says it is half gravity and half normal...and someone was saying on this thread that non gravity won't work as it might close prematurely if the spec is holding on to it..

Anyway this is Keith Barrets flipper
http://kbmagic.com/ten-pence-flipper-traditional/

Thanks

Sleepy



Read that again. It says it's half *way* between a gravity and standard flipper. So the tension of the band isn't extremely loose, but also it's very tight.
To my eye from the video, it looks like it's more like a standard one, in that it doesn't just fall open, but that because of his mat, the flipper stays open and lies flat.

I think the choice you need to make for yourself is what you want to do with it, and that will decide what kind of flipper you want.


Actually it's just a (likely unauthorized) clone of the Mark Mason / Bob Swadling NGF, as (apparently) is the Tango version whose video he (Barret) used on his site.
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Inigo, that Ten Pence flipper is a traditional banded flipper according to the website. Says it's the last of them with rubber bands. And their elastic thread flippers are from Tango.

Also, just FYI, Kreis magic had flippers using elastic thread on the market long before the NGF from Mark and Bob. I don’t know, perhaps Bob had the idea earlier but Kreis was definitely selling them earlier, so who is to say from whom authorization should be sought? BTW, the Kreis flippers are what Joe Mogar sells on his site.

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Hi. I just recently purchased a Lassen magnetic gravity flipper Morgan coin and while it is beautifully made, as a novice in coin magic, I am confused. When I flipped it into the air a few times in the open position (coins lying flat on my hand), it did what I think it is designed to do and became a single coin. Then, the two small white tape(?) pieces started to come off so I removed them. Can someone please tell me and or show me if the gaff is supposed to have double sided tape on the coins? There is slight tape residue which is sticky on both the moveable part of the magnetic coin and the shell. Photos of how my coins should look in the open or expanded two coin position would be appreciated especially indicating where tape, if any, should be placed. I will attempt to contact Mr. Lassen directly with my questions but I know that getting in touch with him can be hit and miss. If someone can address my questions in a Private Message in the interest of non disclosure, I would appreciate it. Thank you.
Eric.
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Sounds like you may have pulled off some Teflon tape meant to help quiet the operation -- may or may not have been standard issue from Todd.
Typically it should only be needed on either the shell or the insert -- too much (two layers) could affect the way things sit when closed (insert not fully nested).

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Hi. I just recently purchased a Lassen magnetic gravity flipper Morgan coin and while it is beautifully made, as a novice in coin magic, I am confused. When I flipped it into the air a few times in the open position (coins lying flat on my hand), it did what I think it is designed to do and became a single coin. Then, the two small white tape(?) pieces started to come off so I removed them. Can someone please tell me and or show me if the gaff is supposed to have double sided tape on the coins? There is slight tape residue which is sticky on both the moveable part of the magnetic coin and the shell. Photos of how my coins should look in the open or expanded two coin position would be appreciated especially indicating where tape, if any, should be placed. I will attempt to contact Mr. Lassen directly with my questions but I know that getting in touch with him can be hit and miss. If someone can address my questions in a Private Message in the interest of non disclosure, I would appreciate it. Thank you.
Eric.
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Thank you.
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Received pics; flipper had come apart -- sent repair info.

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Sounds like you may have pulled off some Teflon tape meant to help quiet the operation -- may or may not have been standard issue from Todd.
Typically it should only be needed on either the shell or the insert -- too much (two layers) could affect the way things sit when closed (insert not fully nested).

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On Jun 12, 2019, erichoudini wrote:
Hi. I just recently purchased a Lassen magnetic gravity flipper Morgan coin and while it is beautifully made, as a novice in coin magic, I am confused. When I flipped it into the air a few times in the open position (coins lying flat on my hand), it did what I think it is designed to do and became a single coin. Then, the two small white tape(?) pieces started to come off so I removed them. Can someone please tell me and or show me if the gaff is supposed to have double sided tape on the coins? There is slight tape residue which is sticky on both the moveable part of the magnetic coin and the shell. Photos of how my coins should look in the open or expanded two coin position would be appreciated especially indicating where tape, if any, should be placed. I will attempt to contact Mr. Lassen directly with my questions but I know that getting in touch with him can be hit and miss. If someone can address my questions in a Private Message in the interest of non disclosure, I would appreciate it. Thank you.
Eric.
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Inigmntoya is our resident flipper coin guru.
He replaced my rubber bands with elastic thread and it works great and should last a looooong time!
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I have used custom sets and mass production sets from most of the custom workers out there. They all have their pro’s and cons. I believe no single producer’s entire catalogue of gaffs is “the best”. I love the ngf flipper in walkers by jb magic. Though for barbers I use a Schoolcraft oxf set. Roy is hit or miss in my opinion. Johnson is great and even tango gravity pro isn’t bad for a Kennedy. The attached picture is my Schoolcraft barber oxf set with 4 matching coins [ and flipper is nested.
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