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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
...for those that use the invisible deck! I have been using this with Zenneth Kok's 'Killer Badge' effect, as the card box vanishes/changes into a badge, one card is face down etc...anyway, not the tip. The tip is this...when you have any card named, tell your spectator you find that interesting...and the reason is because you turned one card face down in the deck, and when you turned it face down, you also placed it beneath the (Name the card above that completes the forumla), then when you spread, and find that card, it isn't a case of looking for it, pause for a split second when you spot it to then split the cards, it is a simple case of, see, here is the (Name of card), and beneath it like I said, is one card face down, what was your card again sorry? 3 of Hearts...take it out yourself.
Ok, so it would look like this. A spectator names ANY card, 4 of Hearts. So my patter would be 'Interesting...Four of Hearts? Really? The reason I say that is because earlier I placed a face down card in this deck, not only that but I placed that card beneath the Nine of Spades so I would know where it was in the deck...let me show you this...' then reveal it. It for me has lifted the effect, and you get a double amazing kicker, I will let those of you who think logically realise how much stronger this is! Enjoy! |
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Magic_Steve Inner circle Maryland 1476 Posts |
Wow! Great tip there Christopher. I never really thought of that, but you're right. It does seem to add a double kicker to it.
A double kicker to the ID?? Get outta here! |
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msc455magic Inner circle Taipei, Taiwan 1523 Posts |
Although I do not know about Mr. Kok's "Killer Badge" effect, I think this combination with the invisible deck is quite strong and special. One point I am concerned though, is that wouldn't the spectators think that this trick is a little bit "too perfect"? And therefore want to examine the deck at the end?
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
No they don't because I just explain I placed it beneath a card so I remember where it was, I have NEVER been asked to examine the deck, the reason for this...i conditioned them to already know where it was, try it and see
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Rupert Bair Inner circle ? 2179 Posts |
Genius! Chris your thinking is become as good as mine.
M:C |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Um, why would you need to remember a second card to remember where you placed a REVERSED card?
It is kinda obvious where it is when you find it. Looking for a reversed card is a lot more obvious and easy to find than a single card facing the same way as all the others. To me it sounds like it would just detract from the effect.
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Prof. Pabodie Veteran user 318 Posts |
I agree with the above post, especially if the card is second or third from the top. That is one good thing about the original Invisible Deck routine where you have the spec shuffle and reverse one card, then shuffle some more. The face down card could be anywhere.
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
Like I said guys, just an idea, a different presentation, to each their own
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Rupert Bair Inner circle ? 2179 Posts |
Guys...think about this.
To a layman, you've just done some amazing things can't be explained. Then a card they thought of is reversed...from a sleight of hand p.o.v its not terribly devastating, its a good trick but not amazing! The decks on the table and you tell them you put there card upside and which card its next to too! Amazing. It Can only improve the revelation tenfold. All I can say is try it once and see what happens! Also think about this, if you've said the name of the card out loud you are gonna remember much easier as you spread out the deck so its gonna be a lot quicker with no fumbling to find the card. M:C |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I tried it on my 20 yr old kid and after about 30 sec's he got a wry grin on his face indicating that he had just figured out the math of it all!
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Rupert Bair Inner circle ? 2179 Posts |
Has he seen it before??
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
I don't mean to sound harsh, but I have to admit I don't understand the point. Kickers usually shouldn't leave hints as to the method. Also, you placed it next to the 9 of spades so that you'd remember where it was? It's the only face-down card in the deck -- it shouldn't be too difficult to find.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
>>Has he seen it before??
Yeah Matt he had seen the base version awhile back but he has a very mathematical mind and is into some card work so I wasn't surprised when he got it! Bottom line, it's YOUR version my man, make it do what it do! |
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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On 2007-07-30 17:59, Matt Colman wrote: I don't get it. Why if you knew before hand which card he would think of... that it's is even more amazing that you would also remember what card you put it next to? |
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Tim Sutton Elite user Tim Sutton AIMC, London UK 461 Posts |
It's an interesting idea Chris - I think there's a danger that it alerts the spectator to the possibility of a set-up, and even more dangerously leads them directly to the formula - and if it leads them to the formula, they could deduce the whole Ultramental concept! But if it's getting good reactions for you, that's terrific.
Here's an alternative proposal - with the ID set up in memorised deck order, you're able to deduce the cards on either side of the spectator's thought-of card. Using a regular deck in memorised order, force these two cards on two other spectators. Show that these two cards have come together in the middle of the deck, trapping a face down card between them... |
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DylanTolly New user Australia 94 Posts |
I would also not recommend doing this, for the reasons that have been listed above numerous times. Really the benefits you get from it don't outweigh the disadvantages you receive performing it this way...
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
I can not see how this strengthens the effect. The simplicity of a card face down in a face up deck is beautiful. Why complicate it with making them wonder why you put it next to the nine of spades. The motivation of making it easier to find the face down card is pretty silly. Do you actually go through the deck and find the nine of spades first then say "Oh yes and right here next to the nine is the face down card."
Its like saying I keep my cards in their card box but to make them easier to find I put a big "X" on the box. Huh? |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
Hey guys, wow! So you don't like it or think it gets any better, as a worker who has used this quite a bit recently, it works...for ME! Everyone is different, and has a different style. For some, they will like it and use it. Others, like 99% of all of you...don't like it and won't use it, fine, not a problem, however, my post was for that 1% of people on here who would use it. So a lot of you don't think it will work, fine, keep using your presentation, I will use mine, that is what makes us all different. It's one of those things you have to see, over text it doesn't read how it looks
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james1a Loyal user 209 Posts |
Hi:
With respect first the invisible deck plot is actually a one two revelation, this one two IMO is one of its strengths, this tip makes it a one two three revelation, don't talk try. The brainwave deck revelation is interesting for the strongest part of the plot, which is esential to its success is the second revelation of the different coloured back. james1a |
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Christopher,
I don't doubt that it plays well... it's the Invisble Deck for Pete's sake. For it NOT to play well you'd have to ask the audience for help with the math! My question remains: what is the additional effect? It seems from reading it that the additional effect is that you remembered what card was next to your prediction. Isn't that sort of like remembering what color ink you used to WRITE a prediction? I'm just asking... |
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