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RevJohn Inner circle Oregon City Oregon, Oregon 2472 Posts 
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Coin BAG, Jonathan... Coin BAG...
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ASW Inner circle 1864 Posts
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I think it's always best to stand in the shoes of the layman:
Card clip: obvious reason for its existence, non-suspicious and gender neutral. Coin purse: obvious use but incongruous for some men, less so for most woman.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1147 Posts
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.... and to be serious for just a moment:
what the heck kind of a nerdazoid would carry cards around in a special clip "to keep them in casino condition"? it's a deck of cards fer the luvva mike. $1.25 at the convenience store. I'm just sayin'. layperson's likeliest reaction. no offense to ursidae intended .... oh, and a coin purse? OK if you're a New England hill farmer who drives a Model A with "Welcome Admiral Dewey Hero Of Manila" painted in shakey white letters on the back. Otherwise, no. |
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doiron Regular user 180 Posts
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I've never had a spectator question the use of a card clip. Some have commented on it but, so far, everyone's statements have been in the order of "That's pretty neat." or some such. Of course I've only had my clip for six or seven years so maybe next week . . .
Two friends of mine use clips and I can't recall either of them mentioning any unusual looks or behind-the-back whispering. And the price of a new deck is not the question. It's the maintaining of the deck in good condition while you're using it. At any rate, I truly believe most lay people don't care about an awful lot of the stuff we think they would. Or to be more exact, the things we used to think they would. Unless the item in question is amazingly peculiar they don't care what kind of decks, marking pens, close-up cases, wallets, etc. we use. Our job is to keep them focused on us and our ability to entertain. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and clean my dragon-decorated production box. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 4734 Posts
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On 2007-08-17 13:01, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Thank goodness, you've broken the silence on this. I thought I was the only one that got creeped out by all those cigars coming out of coin purses. What the heck is that supposed to be??? How did those purses stay in working magicians' repertoires for so long? I don't ever think I saw a man use them in real life, and I don't know of any woman under the age of 75 that uses one now. Very strange to me. Much weirder than the card clip which at least is exotic enough to be explained away. Jack Shalom
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ASW Inner circle 1864 Posts
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On 2007-08-19 15:25, cheesewrestler wrote: I've used them for years and so have many others. I've never heard that reaction and nobody else I know has ever experienced it. So how could it be the "likeliest" reaction? If your fear is that people will think you are the kind of person who has more than a buck and a quarter to spend on any one day then maybe your concerns are right. I'll stick to the corporate magic market and you can work the circuit where the magician wears bib and brace overalls over threadbare longjohns, smokes a corn cob pipe and uses ten year old playing cards with clowns on the back.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
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Eric Leclerc Inner circle Ottawa Ontario 1185 Posts
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As a magician, it is our job to help dismiss every question/suspicion our spectators may have about ANY of our props/uncommon object before they even become a concern in their minds.
A simple statement like, ''I carry cards on me all the time, this case helps me keep them in the shape I prefer, its pretty isn't it???'' Is the same thing as saying ''look this is a real deck, they are all different, I just bought it at Wal Mart'' I cant even see a card worker taking out his cards from his shiny clip and not mentioning anything about it. THAT would be weird.. On the other hand if you use it as the method to your trick, you don't want to mention anything about it...That would be bad...... Let's face it this is a trick some magician said ''THATS COOL.. to the other at a jam session. Then they fooled their other magic friends who arrived later with it because a card clip is so common to be sitting on a table amongst magicians. WHY WHY WHY would you need a shiner in the real world, for REAL people as a METHOD TO OBTAIN THE IDENTITY OF A CARD!!!!!!???? WHY?? someone have a good answer?? |
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doiron Regular user 180 Posts
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Many roads lead to Rome and many methods lead to good effects.
If you do a lot of peeks, you would naturally want several different methods to accomplish it so as not to tip what you're doing. It's the same thing as using several different moves in an ambitious card routine. It's the smart thing to do and it's the kind of advice you find in books by Hay and Hugard and Wilson and . . . It's great to have a few varieties of weapons in the arsenal. |
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1147 Posts
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On 2007-08-25 01:18, ASW wrote: LOL |
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Jeff Inner circle Orlando, FL 1239 Posts
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Mr. Swiss is entitled to his opinion, and I say that being the person who's trick he mentioned in the article. Joshua was kind enough to stand up for me and I appreciate it.
For what it's worth I will say that I've seen footage of Rene Levand using a metal card case protector during his act. Jeff Pierce
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ASW Inner circle 1864 Posts
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On 2007-08-30 08:36, Jeff wrote: Yes, and we're entitled to discuss his opinion.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5710 Posts
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Interesting side fact. Was out antiquing a few months ago and ran across a novel item. A very ornate, clearly old, silver case for carrying playing cards. The proprietor said it was from the riverboat gambler days and he had never seen anything like it. He had tons of silver items up to probably 200 years old or more. This case was the only one he had ever run across.
So there appears to be a likely history for "card clips" as foreign as they may be in modern society. |
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ASW Inner circle 1864 Posts
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Did you buy it? Tell me you bought it.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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wa-na-be Veteran user 354 Posts
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Personally I don't think it really matters. When we go up to a table and tell them that we are a magician they are already expecting something different. I've always said that I make my living with cards so I keep the in the case...cause I don't make enough to buy new ones! I have never had anyone question me about the clip except to say "Hey that's cool" or "where can I get one of those".
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delgadil Regular user 197 Posts
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I, for one, totally agreed with Joshua's comments. It's easy to explain what a card clip is for -- there's nothing wrong for us to take pride in keeping our props in good condition. Nobody has ever given me a hard time about using a card clip, some folks are curious about it but after I explain what it's for, it's no longer a topic of interest.
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1147 Posts
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Obviously everyone needs to use a card clip to keep their cards in good condition.
But how do you keep the card clip in good condition? I don't want to seem blatantly commercial, but BUY BUY BUY New and Improved Cheesewrestler Card Clip Cleansing Creme!!!!! It shines, it polishes, it nourishes ... and it's only $19.99 per oz. to Magic Café members!!!!!! (limited time offer) BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!!!!!! Sure, you've polished your card clip to professional standards .... but how do you protect it from the (formerly!) inevitable scrapes nicks dents and bruises? With the Cheesewrestler Ultimate Delta Force Stealth Card Clip Caddy, of course!!! Hand knit from pure alpaca by David Berglas' grandmother, these fine knit items aren't only essential protection for the clip that protects your cards, they're a piece of magic history! Only $99.99 to Magic Café members! (Limited time offer) |
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Eric Leclerc Inner circle Ottawa Ontario 1185 Posts
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Was that for real?
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ASW Inner circle 1864 Posts
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Yes, that was a real attempt at humour.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
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shek Loyal user Los Angeles, CA 244 Posts
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Heck, I'd buy something made by David Berglas' grandmother...
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JRob Veteran user Central South Carolina 395 Posts
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I found the cheesewrestler comment rather amusing, actually. It speaks to more opportunistic side of our community. Nothing wrong with opportunism, given that magic as an art is somewhat opportunistic in itself.
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