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Andy Moss
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It would be wonderful to have such an agile brain that one could clock simply by riffling through a face down Boris Wild deck, or by ribbon spreading the cards face down on a surface.

I wonder what the speed record would be for that! In theory it must be possible due to the convenient locations of the markings on the cards. In practice perhaps this is only possible for the superhuman!
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Add to the list "Diplopia" by Paul Vigil. Fantastic use of clocking along with a few other ruses to ease the process, albeit only slightly.
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On Dec 7, 2019, Steven Conner wrote:
Did anyone see Ondrej Psenicka perform on Penn and Teller his second time. It looked like he did this type of routine but with lightning speed. I can speed the deck in about 40 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7oj0tR6UQ8

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On Aug 4, 2007, uri wrote:
Pit Hartling has an application of this strategy in his "Little Green Lecture notes" called "Triathlon". It's a triple impossible location of a peeked card, a thought of card, and a card that was placed unseen in the spectator's pocket.


This also sounds exactly like the description of Simon Aronson's "Two Minds and a Mate" from the Aronson Approach.
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Is anyone who is suggesting "clocking" able to do actually do it nearly as fast as they assume Psenicka is? I've been practicing for over 600 hours and I have a hit rate of only about 75% at 45 seconds in the quiet of my own practice room. I think it's naive for anyone to think it could be done that fast, consistently, under "Fool US" kind of pressure.
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Clocking speed is very much a function of the actual technique being used. As I discuss in my piece in Tricyclic, deck clocking is a technique that has evolved much over the years.

Paul Vigil's "Diplopia", for example, popularized the methodology published by Harry Lorayne in his The Epitome Location, which was certainly the epitome in 1976, but significant improvements have been made since then. If you have not read Karl Fulves' The Parallel Principle (1970) and my own "Tick Tock Too" (2010), you haven't seen the level to which this technique has been brought.

The late Barrie Richardson wrote, "For many years I used rote memory to find cards missing from a deck because I could not clock a deck with speed -- or confidence. [Doug's] approach opens up many new avenues. [He is] the brightest person I know."
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If you learned y missing card stunt in one of the few book in which I teach it - you can have someone remove any five cards, call off the other 47 cards RAPIDLY - and you'll know the five missing cards as you go through all in your mind. Start reading the good stuff, guys!!

Oh, and I've seen NO improvements to my The Epitome Location.
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On Apr 29, 2020, Harry Lorayne wrote:
If you learned y missing card stunt in one of the few book in which I teach it - you can have someone remove any five cards, call off the other 47 cards RAPIDLY - and you'll know the five missing cards as you go through all in your mind. Start reading the good stuff, guys!!

Oh, and I've seen NO improvements to my The Epitome Location.


Hi Harry, couldn't agree more. As you know I've been using your systems for years and appreciate being mentioned in your book, Memory Makes Money.

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Harry Lorayne wrote:
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... I've seen NO improvements to my The Epitome Location.

Perfectly understandable, and nothing to feel concerned about. There are hundreds of magical creators, and scores of outlets for their creations, so it's pretty much impossible to keep abreast of everything.

Deck clocking is a technique that dates back to 1744, and has been written about many times since then (there are 54 mentions in Potter's Master Index alone). In recent years, though, there have been four significant improvements to the original method, each of which involves some piece of cleverness to simplify the arithmetic that must be done in one's head.

In 1975, James Randi revealed the first improvement, which can be found in Marvin Kaye's The Handbook of Mental Magic.

Harry's The Epitome Location dramatically advanced the art in 1976, and remained the standard for some time. It is likely that more people know this technique through Harry's typically excellent teaching than any other approach. But it's not only the exposition that is good: there were also significant advances in dealing with the math.

In 1979, Karl Fulves added another piece to the puzzle in his The Shamrock Code / The Parallel Principle, simplifying the math even further.

Finally, I published in the January 1981 issue of the Psychic Entertainers Association journal PSYCHIKOS yet another simplification of the mathematics. This was reprinted (in expanded form) in the publicly available Tricyclic in 2010.

To my knowledge, nothing has been added to the methodology since then, though none of us can lay claim to knowing everything that's out there!
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I've been practicing this all day! I first came to this technique after reading Simon Aronson's Two Minds and a Mate from the Aronson Approach book. I went and bought Harry's Epitome Location book which helped simplify it but I was still having trouble with the addition and always coming up wrong. Today I came across Doug's mention of his way in his Tricycic book which I have. With practice, rereading Harry's book, and reading Doug's book I think I've finally got the hang of it. Very excited with the possibilities with this.
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Thanks Doug for your informed post, great information as always.
BTW, I found that Fulves' "Line of Sight" (in Clockworks) helps increasing the clocking speed immensely. Sure, you need a quick preparation but especially when clocking a full deck the tiny 'intervention' might be well worth the hassle.
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I'm surprised that nobody mentioned the method I learned in the late 1960 years from an old gambler in Germany. In my childhood, "Schorsch" teaches me a lot.

In the last centuries in Germany existed a vibrant culture of card gaming. In any German pub (Kneipe), one could, until the 1990 years officially play card games like Skat, Doppelkopf, and Schafkopf. Every severe card player could do mentally the necessary clocking work in this games during the game. Skat and Schafkopf have an overall count of 120, Doppelkopf of 240. Skat is an German national heritage!

This way, I'm sure that my Clocking the Deck approach goes back to the First World War, maybe it is older.

No casting out of 13! Not slower and complicated than the discussed calculation approaches.
Nevertheless, ALL values are identifiable in half the deck (red or black) as well as in the complete deck! No fishing for values!
The determination of the suit is extremely simple since a maximum of one (half deck), or three cards (full deck) of the determined value must be checked.

I will write a small script, "The Mingau Location," about this clocking the deck method.
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Sounds great, hcs.
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On May 11, 2020, hcs wrote:
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned the method I learned in the late 1960 years from an old gambler in Germany. In my childhood, "Schorsch" teaches me a lot.

In the last centuries in Germany existed a vibrant culture of card gaming. In any German pub (Kneipe), one could, until the 1990 years officially play card games like Skat, Doppelkopf, and Schafkopf. Every severe card player could do mentally the necessary clocking work in this games during the game. Skat and Schafkopf have an overall count of 120, Doppelkopf of 240. Skat is an German national heritage!

This way, I'm sure that my Clocking the Deck approach goes back to the First World War, maybe it is older.

No casting out of 13! Not slower and complicated than the discussed calculation approaches.
Nevertheless, ALL values are identifiable in half the deck (red or black) as well as in the complete deck! No fishing for values!
The determination of the suit is extremely simple since a maximum of one (half deck), or three cards (full deck) of the determined value must be checked.

I will write a small script, "The Mingau Location," about this clocking the deck method.


Sounds really good. Let us know when we can check it out!
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Coming soon - in in the first week of July.
Stay tuned!
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I just finished the ebook I promised. The following is the table of contents:

Gaukelwerk with Cards
by Dr. Hans-Christian Solka

Table of Contents

I The Mingau Location

1 History 1
2 Key Aspects 2
2.1 Card Count Values 2
2.2 Count Value Examples 3
2.3 Missing Card Detection 3
3 Detection Examples 4
3.1 Red Card Detection 1, Half-Deck 4
3.2 Red Card Detection 2, Half-Deck 4
3.3 Black Card Detection, Half-Deck 5
3.4 Red Card Detection, Full Deck 5
3.5 Full Deck Detection 6

II The Mingau Cull

1 Application 9
2 Technique 9
3 Example 10

III The Hans False Shuffle

1 Handling 13
2 Alternative Handling 14

IV The Solka Location

1 A Real Clocking Thing 17
2 Card Count Values 17
3 Count Value Examples 18
4 Missing Card Detection 19
5 Detection Examples 19
5.1 Red Card Detection 1, Half-Deck 19
5.2 Red Card Detection 2, Half-Deck 20
5.3 Black Card Detection, Half-Deck 20
5.4 Red Card Detection, Full Deck 20

About 20 pages, pdf-file, A4-format
I just finished the ebook I promised. The following is the table of contents:
About 20 pages, pdf-file, A4-format
Available directly from the author until July 8th, 2020.
Send 5,00 USD via PayPal to ozmd(at)solka.de and note your email-address!
Usually, I will send you the file within 24 hours.

Best regards
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This pdf offered by hcs is excellent. If you have any interest in this topic, I would recommend it. It's way underpriced.
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The Hans False shuffle (page 13 and 14) is a very easy (but deceptive!) false shuffle that is very interesting for memdeck workers.
The whole deck stays in order!

The "Solka location" I still have to read but it looks promising at first site.
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On Jun 30, 2020, hcs wrote:
Available directly from the author until July 8th, 2020.
Send 5,00 USD via PayPal to ozmd(at)solka.de and note your email-address!

Sadly, PayPal is not available in my country. Is there any other way to pay, for example, with a credit card?
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