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mark1991
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Hi there,

Could some of you please tell me what you think of the following set of torches:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V......p;ih=011

I have seen many reviews online that say they are good, but what do you guys think? Please remember, this will be my first proper set of fire torches!

Any advice or comments will be most welcome!

Take care and God bless you all!

Magical Mark Watson
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Mark
They look a lot like the Juggle bug torches I had long ago, they were cheap, and did not last very long. I use Henry torches now, which is a much finer prop. A juggling torch should last you many years. When buying torches always buy torches with soft handles, I also had a set of Dube swinging torches that were all wood, and really hurt my hands.
GOOD LUCK
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mark1991
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Hi there,

Thanks for the advice Al, but I'm not looking for a pro set of torches to start with. What might these be like for a beginner? Good enough to learn with?

Anybody else with comments or suggestions would be greatly welcomed!

Take care and God bless!

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I have a set of these exact torches. I've never used anything other than those, though, so I can't give you a comparison to others on the market. They handle alright when lit, easy to dismantle/maintain/clean, and the handles are soft enough to cushion their weight when they land.

Just don't use a scouring pad to clean them.
mark1991
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Hi there,

Thanks for the feedback Crocodilewings!

Anybody else wants to make an imput before I make a decision?

Take care and God bless!

Magical Mark Watson
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mark1991
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Al Angello
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Are you an expert with clubs? The reason why I ask is because when you fire your torches up the bright flame nearly blinds you, so flaming torch juggling is only for some one who doesn't make mistakes.
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I agree with Al, only juggle fire clubs if you are 99.9% sure you aren't going to mess up. Your cascade should be flawless, ie: run 3 clubs for ever!


With torhces, you will be able to find much cheaper than 50 pounds each! that's 125 Australian dollars for one torch! we pay 70 dollars for a henry's torch!

Order from Juggleart or direct from the manufacturer otherwise you are getting ripped off!

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mark1991
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Hi there,

Thanks for the comments guys! In reply to both of you, my club cascade is continuous and I can go on for as long as I like. Whenever I learn a new pattern or number of objects, I always practice endurance and the clubs were by far the easiest to keep going for longer!

To James, I think you have misunderstood the eBay listing! The price of £50 ($125 Aus Dollars) is for all three clubs, not just the one! I do realise that £50 a club is a bit of a rip off! LOL! (Although saying that, I have seen the new set of torches that are £90 each, but last 25 minutes because you load the handle with fuel. I'm not interested in owning them, but I was quite interested in how they worked!)

Thanks for your comments and words of wisdom though guys! You've given me some things to think about!
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Personally I'd use the Beard Pro fire torch over the Henry and I own 8 Nite-flites.

The torches you are looking at are OK but not good. Fuel can easily travel from the wick to the handle. I feel that the Henry's and Beard torches feel more club-like in use and therefore more comfortable a translation from doing club tricks.

Still if you aren't doing it professionally it doesn't really matter.

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Mark
I'm concerned about you not understanding what happens to fire when you juggle it. You need someone to show you fire juggling safety in person. Always hold a lit torch flame side up, always shake torches well before lighting, you won't be able th blow them out untill the fuel is almost spent, I can write a couple more paragraphs on fuel selection alone. I don't know about anybody else but Dube has a great plastic, easy to use safe fuel container. Let a few other experienced jugglers chime in here before you light anything up.
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I agree you should have training. when I was younger, before I joined the circus school, I had many accidents with fire clubs, many bad burns etc from not learning the right way!

How old are you Mark?

When I joined the circus they taught me the right way, the right fuels and also safety, eg: what to do when/if your costume cathes on fire, making sure you aren't wearing flammable clothing (so important)

Dunking the clubs in the fuel the right way, shaking them out, putting them out.

Get some proper training with fire clubs, don't just buy them and try and juggle them, big mistake. Especially don't buy them light them and juggle.

You need to know fire clubs, like knives are very differently weighted. Therefore its something new to learn.

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Post a clip of yourself juggling clubs on youtube buddy. If we sound at all like we are telling you you can't juggle fire, that's not the case.

We are just worried you will hurt yourself when you don't know all the safety issues etc. We are just here to help!

James
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mark1991
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Hi there,

Sorry for not replying sooner, but my computer has been offlinf for a couple of days.

Firstly, I understand what all you guys are saying, and your right. But I'm not going this alone, I have found a couple of people who have experience fire juggling and they are going to help me all the way. And don't worry about seeming stern, because I understand you are all trying to help.

However, you must also understand that this isn't a rash or rushed decision on my part! This has been a process of around 4 months until I eventually decided to go into fire. However, when I do get a set of fire torches, I will be doing everything progressively at my own speed. For example, I'll spend a couple of days juggling them unlit to get used to them. Then I will light one and get used to the drag the flame creates. Then I will move up to two for a while, and finally on to three. I have been instructed on taking care of the torches and how to load them etc.

I am very grateful for all your help and assistance guys, but please don't just right me off as a complete beginner! LOL!

Take care and God bless you all!

Magical Mark Watson
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Don't skimp on fire props, it dose not pay in the long run. I use Dube my self. 6 of the classic, yes they are hard on the hands. and 2 custom, a friend snapped the third.

the fuel jar Al is talking about is a must. as most fuels are solvents they eat away at most containers, just enough to make things messy. Taking care of your fuel is one BIG safety concerns.

ask the people helping you what they use and why, ask about what they don't like and why, learning from there mistakes.

light up in the day light, have some one watch you. this will help with the night blindness that happens in the dark.

Clothing: Leather, REAL silk, untreated cotton, wool, or bare skin. NO polly any thing.

WARNING: Juggling fire can hurt your juggling. It becomes a crutch for a bad show. (ask how many fire props I have. Smile ) Light it on fire and people will watch. It is easy to get lazy.
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I understand what your saying. But just because you can do 3 clubs doesn't make you go straight onto fire clubs? I didn't start doing fire until I could juggle 4 clubs, and I new at least 20-30 tricks with 3 clubs.

In the end the final decision is up to you mate, but like everyone has said fire isn't something to be played with.

Make sure you have public liability if you plan to perform this also?

James
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You WILL hurt yourself in some way at some point. Worse yet you could hurt someone else.

Anton
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The best fuel should not smell, should not smoke, should not be too flammable, should have a long lasting flame, should have an orange flame. I have found that my favorite fuel is clear lamp oil, or pure paraffin. The stuff they use for hurricane lamps availible at hardware stores. If it is too windy for you to get them going you can give them a last minute squirt of lighter fluid, which lights fast, and burns off quickly. Coleman fuel has a blue (invisible) flame that usually burns off halfway into my routine. My crazy friend Dick uses a very flammable concoction, and when I passed torches with him it burned all the hair off my arms, and he carries that stuff in his car. The fuel I use allows me to look like a hairy Italian.

Always remember to shake them as dry as possible before you light them up or you will get little droplets of flaming fuel in your eyes.
GOOD LUCK
Alfonso
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Lamp Oil is easily available in the UK and is great for fire juggling, it is not however the safest thing for fire eating. All the chemicals that lose the smell of paraffin also make it more carcinogenic. Of course it also tastes better.

Nigel

Fire juggling is relatively safe, there is a reason that there a few older fire eaters.
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