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Scott F. Guinn
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Juan is an amazing guy, a wonderful performer, and a total maniac! At a convention about a decade ago, I had the great privilege of spending some time with him in a small group. I would call it a "session", except that he was the only one doing anything and the rest of us were just watching, dumbfounded! He did trick after trick, each better than the last, and he was hysterically funny.

Several hours later, he performed for the large evening show. He was doing this wonderful multiple selection routine, and he got stuck on one card. At first, everybody thought it was just part of the act. But then, it became clear that he really couldn't find the selection. He made a joke and went on with his act, doing 2-3 other routines. Then he stopped suddenly, looked me right in the eye (I was in the second row), and said, "You! But of course..it is YOU!"

I had no idea what he was talking about, and then he suddenly SHOT off the stage, ran over to me, showed a completely empty hand, and reached into the inner breast pocket of my jacket, where he removed a card--the SIGNED selection from another person in the audience--the one he "couldn't find" earlier. To this day, I don't know how or when he loaded that card! It was AMAZING!
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Scott, what a great story. I would pay a ton to witness a performance like that.

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On 2007-08-08 03:46, Platt wrote:
Wow. Has anybody here ever performed this or seen it performed live? I suppose I understand what's going on. It's just hard to believe it could look this natural and be this practical in person. But I'd love to be wrong about that.


It depends on what you think the method is. Unfortunately, these threads have a tendency to tip methods. People who want the method keep fishing, and eventually they get enough "hints" that they figure it out.

Which is a shame, because that's a great trick.
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"You! But of course...it is YOU!"

What a fantastic way to make good on a slip up!
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Scott,
Great story... I guess only Juan can pull this off.

Andy
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With the right audience management, it can even be used as a practical walk-around routine. Mr. Nicholas Einhorn uses Owen's version in his professional work.

Those of you that caught the first segment in Derren Brown's latest Mind Control episode (Exotic Dancer) would have had a glimpse of Mr. Anthony Owen. Smile

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I perform this routine. It is my favorite of anything I do.
At my local magic club, I literally saw jaws drop....particularly at the last face up phase....because even the wise were floored as they were thinking of something different...
It is brilliant close up. I see no reason to worry about angles, and its impact is such that people won't grab for the cards because they've seen them on both sides.
The cards are normal and they know it.
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Scott F....aha....Juan got you. Isn't that great? He is beyond clever and great. You should have dinner with him sometime.
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Terrific O&W routine. Who cares if it's gaffed? The effect is wonderful.
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Is Juan's routine also put out in Pabular?

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Very clean handling, but there are a couple of discrepancies. If you performed this version, you would have to emphasize the separation of colors to try and steer people away from the values of the cards themselves (which is unfortunately easier to spot when there is no patter, only music).
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How about using blank cards, some of which have been stained with oil and some with water?
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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On 2007-08-10 02:37, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Several hours later, he performed for the large evening show. He was doing this wonderful multiple selection routine, and he got stuck on one card. At first, everybody thought it was just part of the act. But then, it became clear that he really couldn't find the selection. He made a joke and went on with his act, doing 2-3 other routines. Then he stopped suddenly, looked me right in the eye (I was in the second row), and said, "You! But of course..it is YOU!"

I had no idea what he was talking about, and then he suddenly SHOT off the stage, ran over to me, showed a completely empty hand, and reached into the inner breast pocket of my jacket, where he removed a card--the SIGNED selection from another person in the audience--the one he "couldn't find" earlier. To this day, I don't know how or when he loaded that card! It was AMAZING!


Was this A-1's Convention at the Capital? I was there. I remember him explaining it in his lecture. Very bold how he gets the card in there. The card was not signed, though. But I guess with a little more work, it could be. He was the highlight of that convention. Amazing energy, he has.
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This reminds me of the Oil & Water routine from Scams & Fantasies with cards combined with a little something extra to make it look smoother. I can see no reason why the basic effect can't be done "FASIDU". The something extra shouldn't be a problem.

I would have preferred to see slight variations in the phases (Ortiz talks about this in the description of his effect).

Nice Internet video, to be sure.

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I like this presentation very much. Those who nit-pick about the cards out of order, extra cards, and other "discrepancies" need to chill. You are looking at it as a magician. This plays well for the 900,999.999% of the population-- meaning your audiences.
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On 2007-08-14 22:38, Gary Dayton wrote:
I like this presentation very much. Those who nit-pick about the cards out of order, extra cards, and other "discrepancies" need to chill. You are looking at it as a magician. This plays well for the 900,999.999% of the population-- meaning your audiences.


Hmmm... How do you know that? Since you've never done the effect, your opinion based on viewing it is as valid as anyone else's here.

I'd want to try it a few times before deciding either way.

An example: Steve Hamilton's "In The Hands Wild Card". In the instructions it says, "Don't worry, no one will ever notice the discrepancy."

Great trick, but as it turns out, many people notice and point out the discrepancy. (Which isn't a show-stopper, it just means you have to think of a way to cover it.) So I'm always cynical when magicians tell me what a layman will or won't notice if they've got no experience doing a specific effect.
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...I can see no reason why the basic effect can't be done "FASIDU". The something extra shouldn't be a problem.


Well...it depends.

Some magicians are capable of "juggling" with extra gaffs in the deck while performing their set and introduce them when needed. When I stated that it cannot be done "FASIDU", I meant that there's more involved than just sleight of hand. Borrowed cards cannot be used to create this effect.

It's becoming difficult to find, but try and track down a copy of Owen's book. You'll thank me later.

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When I lectured in Paris in 2003, Sebastien was so nice to meet me at the train station and take me out sightseeing for the day. Of course we did some magic along the way, and he performed his O&W routine for me... I was badly fooled by his effect. He did not tip, and I did not ask. Sebastien is a wonderful thinker, an excellent magician, and an all-around nice guy.
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Danny, yet another great story! He did not tip, and you did not ask.

I recently attended a large folk festival and was impressed by one of the banjo players. I asked to speak with him backstage, was welcomed to do so, and we chatted a bit. I asked him how he did a certain technique. He couldn't tell me because he didn't know. Later, I realized it was a bad question.

On topic: What a beautiful Oil and Water! But YouTube said that this video was related, and it, too, is quite beautiful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlW3WcW0W......;search=

Perhaps the one thing we should learn from this thread is to enjoy the work of others, simply, instead of trying to reproduce the effect or asking where to buy it.

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On 2007-08-14 22:38, Gary Dayton wrote:
I like this presentation very much. Those who nit-pick about the cards out of order, extra cards, and other "discrepancies" need to chill. You are looking at it as a magician. This plays well for the 900,999.999% of the population-- meaning your audiences.

Yeah, but if performing for 10 people and 1 notices it, the trick is ruined for all 10 people.
Besides, since the trick requires preparation, why not go that extra mile and make it look like real magic, which is what we aim for anyway?
The faces of the cards (values, not the order: 2 of Spades vs. 2 of Clubs) changing was the first thing I noticed at the first phase of the routine. Had I not noticed it, it would've looked like real magic to me.
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