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geggy Elite user Brighton UK 477 Posts |
Not Yigal,s!!!..lol...Thanks for the suggestion, was a toss up between these 2. Will go with your suggestion, make the perfect Christmas prezzie.
Ordered some Legacy IET from you yesterday and look forward to receiving it..Gerry |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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On 2012-12-04 14:47, geggy wrote: You know, taking into consideration Roland Barthe's concept of "The Death of the Author", I wouldn't write off the Mesika DVD's for a second. The 1st DVD is mainly Finn Jon, the guy who actually invented loops in the first place. DVD 2 has some wonderful ideas by Mesika, and it is a foolish conceit to disregard this material as a magician. Again, I refer you to the thinking of Barthe here. Not to say that the Ellusionist offerings do not contain some very good stuff: they do. Just don't ignore the other material out there. Actually, do ignore it, it's great. I do understand why Sebashtion would not go out of his way to tout Mesika, however, and I don't blame him at all! |
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geggy Elite user Brighton UK 477 Posts |
Thanks Tomsk, was not disregarding either , just that I had narrowed it down to these 2,and then 1 and now your seducing me with the Mesika option again....HMmmmm..I am Sure they are both great... food for thought...Thanks again..
Just googled your Barthe observation....see where your coming from now, if its good its good,any bias will not change that...only the perception will change... Gerry |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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On 2012-12-04 15:27, geggy wrote: Yes! I love the novels of Evelyn Waugh, yet he was so disliked by his own company during WWII, they tried to kill him on at least one occasion. The Sword of Honour trilogy, however, remains a masterpiece! I'm sure you'll get a lot out of whichever you choose, as they will be a springboard to having a great deal of fun, a great deal of jazz. Loops, bands, hoops, scarves, whatever: they are addictive. Our thanks now are to Sebashtion, for bringing this almost narcotic method into the affordable and straightforward realm of magical hydroponics.... |
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geggy Elite user Brighton UK 477 Posts |
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Well said....I have lost count how many times I have thanked him in the last week..lol....and thank you for your knowledgeabe and intelligent observations...good magic to you ... |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
And to you sir!
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Sebashtion H. Special user 603 Posts |
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I do understand why Sebashtion would not go out of his way to tout Mesika, however, and I don't blame him at all! Please don't think that I meant anything like not buying the 2 disk set from Yigal..... I actually own it my self and there is some good stuff on it!!!! Fin is the Master!!!!!!! The E videos are my favorite and that is why I stated the 3 disk set... If you are new to IET Yigal's Animated miracles Book is a good source also The Animated Fork is a Staple in IET Magic!!!!!! Sebashtion H Start Your Legacy!!!
Sebashtion H.
Start Your Legacy!!! |
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rasmus Inner circle Switzerland 1696 Posts |
Love this ))
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Sebashtion H. Special user 603 Posts |
It has come to our attention that Rip Off Trinity Systems are being sold at magic shops, We are not making these! if you are not buying them from Subdividedstudios, The Magic Emporium, or MJM magic they are Rip Offs!!!!!! these are most likely One Piece systems made out of oak, I have seen these before they have the original dvd shot in 2007-2008. please don't get had buying these cheap knock offs.... if you bought a trinity system and think it is one of these contact us to make sure...
Sebashtion H. Start Your Legacy http://www.subdividedstudios.com
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paisa23 Inner circle 7293 Posts |
WOW that sucks, btw happy birthday.
June 22 2012 9:02 AM baby Usnavi was born!
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Magicdahl New user 73 Posts |
*** that really does suck. I ordered mine from Hocus Pocus and figured it was the original since I've ordered from them many times and never had them send me a knock off of anything.
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Amazing Magic Co Inner circle 1711 Posts |
What a coincidence ... They're using the same art, copy and color scheme .. I am also assuming without permission.
Dan. |
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Paul Gross Special user 574 Posts |
Out today and yesterday with the flu, but Tim has been in contact with me on this matter.
Honestly, there is no big conspiracy occurring here. Here are the simple facts of the matter: 1) Several years ago, Sebastian and Rudy Sanchez entered into a joint-venture producing the Trinity System -- call it the Trinity System 1.0. It was the FIRST manifestation of this particular system. 2) Shortly thereafter, the economy went South and Rudy Sanchez was left with excess stock on hand. He has been sitting on that stock waiting until the economy leveled out. 3) Mr. Sanchez recently sold that excess stock to a reputable distributor, and in turn that distributor sold that remaining stock to us. 4) Speaking with him earlier today, Rudy Sanchez indicated that he would be contacting Sebastian directly and confirming that he did in fact sell his remainder stock to our distributor. So, these Trinity Systems are in fact, the real McCoy albeit the first version of the system. Mr. Sanchez was simply attempting to recoup some of his losses. That is all that is occurring here folks. These Trinity Systems are NOT counterfeit, just older versions. If you prefer to purchase the more current version of the system through Subdivided Studios, no problem, please do so with our blessing. But, to misrepresent this as something sinister or corrupt is simply a falsehood. Our reputation speaks for itself. Please call us with any questions at (800) 407-4040. This will be out last post on the subject. Paul, Owner Hocus Pocus Magic |
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Don Dasher Special user 535 Posts |
Apparently copyright infringement complaints cure the flu.
What a load of magic. DD |
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Magicdahl New user 73 Posts |
Thanks for the thorough explanation Paul! I know you guys have integrity and a great reputation which is why I've ordered from you countless times. Looking forward to receiving my shipment!
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Amazing Magic Co Inner circle 1711 Posts |
With all due respect Paul, none of this is disclosed in your email or product page. You note a retail price of $70 and represent your current discount price as a 72% discount .... of what product? You must admit that you could have been more forthcoming with disclosure as opposed to be appearing to be an overt omission. I know HP is a trusted vendor. There is so much variance in magic quality and hope I can continue to trust your recommendations and offers.
Dan. |
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Paul Gross Special user 574 Posts |
In response, to Don Dasher:
"Apparently copyright infringement complaints cure the flu." Shame on you. So much for manners. It's easy to engage in character assassination from behind the veil of the internet. No skill required. The fact is, Paul is indeed out with flu. Tim Mannix (that's me) posted the above post in Paul's name as he dictated it to me. And I am posting THIS one as well. Even though we invited anyone to call us toll-free (800) 407-4040, only 2 people have dialed us here at Hocus Pocus to get the straight facts of the matter. We have purposefully avoided airing another's dirty laundry on this thread out of respect. And yes, there is always more to the story. Don, your cynicism is most unwelcome and adds nothing to the conversation. Tim Mannix for Paul Gross Hocus Pocus Magic |
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Alex DLF Inner circle 1990 Posts |
I must admit that hocus pocus were really fast when I asked for a refund. I was expecting the new one so I just cancelled my order. But even through this episode, I will be ordering from them, they have a really good relation with customers and my packages always arrived in crazy times.
I like HP and won't change it. But one fact is misleading in the add copy on HP website, they say you can tie a loop as big as you want which is false because you only get one unit so you can't strech the IET as long as you want. But anyway, HP is great.
Get yourself Stamper and MONU, the perfect walkaround packet tricks: https://youtu.be/rwtfeKFeLms & https://youtu.be/yz5yKlI-4w8
Make sure to check my English review Channel! http://www.youtube.com/c/alexisreviews |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
Tim and Paul,
Don't worry about Don Dasher, I promise you he is sitting in front of his computer in his underwear, friendless, jobless and miserable. Hocus Pocus' reputation is spotless. I have known Paul Gross for 15 years and we have traded magic several several times plus many purchases. He is a fair, honest man and a reputable dealer. James BTW, here is a brilliant quote by Don Dasher "Corporations absorb other businesses by osmosis." I think that sheds light on where DD's head is. Quote: On 2013-01-29 14:28, Paul Gross wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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takeachance Inner circle 3764 Posts |
Been dealing with Paul and HP for 16 or more years, getting regular service to Australia. Have never had any issues that were not taken care of immediately. Never met the man just speak over the phone. I certainly hold him and his business ethics in the highest esteem. If there are any issues it should be discussed in private not on a public forum. Taking cheap shots here on a hard working family run business is in very poor form.
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