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asianmagic
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For years I've made my own dove bags and just used Velcro. Has worked fine for me for all of these shows.

But, having seen how clean a one handed dove harness looks, I'm investigating switching over. Any input on the best methods for a one handed opening for a dove bag? (Would prefer to make my own, instead of buying other dove bags.)
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I recommend Thomas Clark's Dove Holders. (He's a member here at the Café)... His can be opened with one or two hands. Very reliable!!

And I have also heard good things about Andy Amyx's One Handed Dove Holder, but do not have one.
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There must be at least a half dozen good methods for catches that can be released with one hand on dove bags. (I still can't believe how many dove workers don't know the difference in a dove bag and a good dove harness. Dove bags hide the dove. Dove harnesses hold the dove ready for production.) Even Velcro works! Don't fix what isn't broken.

One of the more popular methods in the 60s was a line of "eyes" with a pull pin laced through them. (Think of a loose pin hinge.) Snaps have also been used. (I even liked the clear plastic snaps.) Slydini experimented with all sorts of hooks from the type at the waist of men's dress pants (remember that Tony was a tailor) to bra hooks. At one point I used picture hanging hooks and eyes on adhesive cloth. They had the same fault as many catches. That is sharp corners on flat pieces. Therefore, they are also worth avoiding.

Life goes full circle. For the last several decades, I still prefer Velcro. A well made dove harness with Velcro fasteners can be easily opened with one hand. Next to Velcro, I prefer to use just a Tee Pin on a thread. The gimmicks I've seen on the market are more for sale than for professional use. If a hinge is used, consider leather rather than nylon or plastic. It is more dependable.

Get into a real bind and need a quick fix? Use a lady's hair pin and a regular silk. Put a small thread loop (about 2") in the center of the pin. To produce the dove, flip the pin off with the index finger and let the pin with loop fall to the floor. Go on with the show. You are clean!

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GENERAL GRANT..
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Whatever works for you is best!


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When I was 15, my first dove holder I bought was the "General Grant Dove Holder". Never have tryed an other one because the General Grant holders are so perfect for me.
Actualy my very first dove holder was a self made one, from a sock... but I do'nt recoment that.

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asianmagic
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Wow! Thank you so much for taking a few minutes to share your thoughts, ideas and experiences. Really appreciate all of your help!
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The best one hand opening dove bags are Shimada and Chen Kai. Chen Kai from South America can be found in a volume of the Supreme Encyclopedia of Dove Magic and Shimada sold his bag for a time. I do not know if it is still available from him.

I must disagree with the Gen Grant model as I have owned it and it is not has good as the above mentioned.
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Wmhegbli, can you tell why you don't like the Gen Grant?

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I'd be interested as well, Bill as to why you aren't impressed with the Grant method? All of those recommeding it as well as myself are very satisfied with them and after all, that's what's important. The problem I found with the Shimada bags are they are very small. My birds are a little larger than normal and that becomes a problem.

That might be why I like Gen's so well. The larger bird puts a little more pressure on the clasp and all I have to do is squeeze a little and it pops right open.
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Whose holders open with the snaps?
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Where do I get general grant harnesses. had one years ago and don't remember where to get them.
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Funkyguy, you can only get Gen's harnesses from him. Email him at ggmagic@aol.com

His current price is $20 for the harness. For $37.50 you can get the harness with matching silk and a pocket.
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Yes I think the best dove holders are general grant's, their well made, easy to open with one hand, you cant get a better dove holder for the great price he sales them.

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Easiest one I ever used had a pants waist fastner (clasp). Easy to open with just a push of the thumb
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Shimada uses snaps to secure the closure. The reason I am not a fan of Gen Grants is because the catch is small and can open when you don't want it to. If he would have placed a larger plate on the catch, maybe it would have suited me more.

Just to flimsy for me!

Dave, we were speaking of the release catch, not the size of the bag. One has nothing to do with the other. Although, I do / did like the rear fo my bags sewn across the top at the tail feathers, so they would not pop out.
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Quote:
On 2007-08-29 15:04, wmhegbli wrote:
Shimada uses snaps to secure the closure.


Thanks Bill, that is what I was for looking for above.
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Bill, in the reference I gave, I think my comment is very much on topic. The question was the release mechanism and simply said that the release on Gen's bags works well with a larger bird. You stated the catch was too flimsy and came open too early. My comment points out that if the bird is larger and fills the bag, that won't happen.

You can also relocate the position of his catches to adapt to the size of your bird making the catch very feasable. On some models, Gen even attached two catches to adjust to the size of the bird.
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I use Slydini dove bag that is featured in the Encyclopedia of Dove Magic by Marian Chavez, it show how to construct the bag and how he preformed it. I like it over any others that I have tried.
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Tony Slydini is always a good lead to follow. Otherwise, it seems that mostly we just reinvent the wheel.

(But it is fun and a good exercise in creative thinking.)

Bob Sanders
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PS --- I remember in the early 60s when I knew I knew it all and had an "ignorant" (of course I was college educated) orphan from Viet Nam teach me dove magic using a sock (with the toe cut out) for a dove bag. Since I knew it all, I never used it except in emergencies! (I do have my pride.) It works and with only one hand. American magicians like to believe that we invented water. I suspect that we are really light years behind.

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