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Reality is illusion and illusion is reality.
Nothing can exist without it's opposite.
If you can pull it off in a biker bar without being violated by a corn dog, more power to you.
-- Gwyd, the Unusual

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Fact is, however, Lucifer is not the evil one. but a bringer of Light. thus, the culmination of the dual mind--the transcendence thereof.

they tell the blind ones I am evil so that they wont sit at my feet, er, hoof, and listen to the way to become as Gods.

but yes, cannot have one without the other one. but still just one.

Hail the Light Bringers!
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Opposites are paired
Each cannot exist alone
The two are but one
If you can pull it off in a biker bar without being violated by a corn dog, more power to you.
-- Gwyd, the Unusual

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We're in the wrong biz. we should be making fortune cookies.


good to meet you.

Baba Light bringer
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On 2007-08-13 22:11, Doug Higley wrote:
$899.00 the root of the canal.


Ha,ha! Touche!

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H*ell with the fortune cookies. Just write a best-selling book of sayings.

"Words of Wisdom from the Other Side"
I asked the boy beneath the pines.
He said, "The master's gone alone herb picking,
somewhere on the mount,
cloud hidden,
whereabouts unknown."
(Chin Tao, 777-841, trans. by Alan Watts)
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Gotama -- or "Psychic Words from the Psycho Ward."

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How about "Protocols of the Bizarre Elders"?
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Da Da dada dee dah da da
Mamba of the beast


A place I worked at had the biggest jackass there with an
extention number of 333, someone asked me how I always remembered his number,
I told them it was half way to hell.
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On 2007-08-13 22:27, Gede Nibo wrote:
Fact is, however, Lucifer is not the evil one. but a bringer of Light. thus, the culmination of the dual mind--the transcendence thereof.

they tell the blind ones I am evil so that they wont sit at my feet, er, hoof, and listen to the way to become as Gods.

but yes, cannot have one without the other one. but still just one.

Hail the Light Bringers!


Baba, you might want to track down a Mark Twain novel, "Letters From Earth" for a completely different view on Satan. This Twain novel was never published during his lifetime and his widow only let it be published in the 1930s. In it Satan was never cast out of heaven, but is just visiting the Earth to view what is happening. He writes letters to his brother angels in heaven about what is occuring and how the humans have got the story all wrong.

Stuart
I asked the boy beneath the pines.
He said, "The master's gone alone herb picking,
somewhere on the mount,
cloud hidden,
whereabouts unknown."
(Chin Tao, 777-841, trans. by Alan Watts)
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NICE. I live about a block from where he lived. about a mile from where he was buried. wish I coulda smoked a cigar or two with that bright soul......

in-deed. Lucifer has gotten all the blame. when really he/she is the freedom fighter. the bestower of enlightenment and freedom, hands down.

o what a spell they have them all under.

Hail!
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Gotama,

Thank you! I would love to read this book! Is it in print???

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Glad to see you Baba!

I am God, I am Satan. I worship at the altar of Lucifer, Satan, Pan, Eshu, Leviathan and Loki. I am both good and evil incarnate.

"Every man and woman is a Star." And I am the Son.

Welcome back mate--love this thread!
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Baba,

I envy you. I live not far from Twain's old stomping grounds in Virgina City, Nevada. Plus, I used to live in Hawaii where Twain make a stop on his trip around the world. But I would like to see where he lived and wrote.

You may also want to get some of his public talks and other writings. He was much more advanced that most of his day and age. He fought his own battle (through his words) against discrimination and prejudice. He was a unique and talented man.

J,

You should be able to buy the book. My version is from the 1960s and includes some other works (such as Twain's War Prayer).

Stuart
I asked the boy beneath the pines.
He said, "The master's gone alone herb picking,
somewhere on the mount,
cloud hidden,
whereabouts unknown."
(Chin Tao, 777-841, trans. by Alan Watts)
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Sounds like some folks on here should read Ann Rice's "Memnoch The Devil". You will be surprised to find the perspective on this being very uplifting, positive and transformative. You may never think the idea of The Devil the same way again. This will really blow you away. It is Awesome and inspiring..
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I EMERGE Tearing Away My Outer Skin
It Wasn't Mine Really
Just The One They Netted Me In
So I Feel No Shame In Burning It
While I Take On The Spear Of Resurgence
The War I Am Now Ready To Fight
Gelled Souls Surround Me On The Field
Tied And Soul Tethered To The Demon hoarders
As Slaves To Their Cause They Act As Drones Or Rather Clones
Yet I Slaughter Them As They Throw Themselves At Me
And Sparks Fly From Where I Strike
And I Hear A Tale Sung Of Me As They Fall Back To Sleep
That The Demon CHILD Had Won Them Free
I Charge The Towers Of Corruption
The Servers Of The Digital Corporate Gods
I Deceive Their Perceptions With Simple Illusions
Entry Is Gained Merely By Stepping Up And Through
The Passage I Find Is Not Blocked
Yet Weapons Of War And Hatred
Lay Poised To End My Advance
Fury And Madness, Chaos And Entropy
These Are The Forces I Bind To Fight For Me
The Machines Fall Before Me And I See Them Dim
So Automated They've Been Unprepared
For A Will As Free As Mine
Yet They Have Yet To See The Full Extant Of My Wrath
And For A Moment I Am Caught Watching A Screen
For Upon Them I See The Great Digital Illusion
Attempt To Assimilate Me
But Mimicry Is Not My Art And So They Fail Before
They Can Realize That They Can Not And Never Shall Succeed
The Great Anti-Christ Can Not Defeat Me
For Its Illusions I Have Perceived
And Thus Now Even Death Is Victory
But Yet I Still Live And Onward I Shall Roam
Forsaken And Prepared For War
I Was Taught Well By This Great Evil
One Being We Were Or So It Seemed At First To Be
Until I Realized My Own Place
And Won Myself Free
But From Here Where Shall I Stride
It Doesn't Matter I Guess
Standing Still Is A Worthy Occupation Of My Time
True Freedom Is That Way
Yet Unexpectedly Such Marvelous Beauty I Now See Parade Before My Eyes
The Like I Have Never Before Witnessed
I Become A Part Of This Other Race
And Now The Machines No Longer Can Touch Me
Too Busy Tending Only What They Were Designed To Know
Their Creators Whom They Now Lull
And So My Spear Becomes The Tool Of My Expression
And With It I Weave Existence To My Desire
And At The Moment Of My First Creations
I Realize That It Is This Other Race That Shall Thrive With Success
For The Machines Require Us To Survive
And So We Change The Digital Illusion Day By Day
With Our Creativity We Destroy The Anti-Christ
With Our Art We Make A New World
That Is Seen Only Fully With Awakened Eyes
Oh How wondrous This Land Is That Lays Before Me!
So Do Not Despair Fellow Brethren
Where Ever You Shall Lay
You Are Not Alone And We Shall Stand Strong
For It Is Not Winning A War We Must Have As Our Goal
But Creating The Next World For Our Race Of Like Spirits
We Are The Saviour's And We Are Many
Each Of Us Is An Individual Victory
All I Ask Is That You Stand With Me
Let Your Inspiration Be The Sword That Cleaves You From Your Bondage
Ideal Appearances Shall All Be Swept Away, REALIZE Your Tricking
Yourself For Ever.
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Lucifer...
A couple of years ago I decided to settle down for a while and buy a house, raise a family, fun stuff like that.
The first days in the house I was working on a magic act that involved a cauldron with green flames. The neighbours saw it and were suspicious.
To do the missy a big favour we adopted a kitten, black as night. I called her "Lucifer".
After an evening toying around with green flames and enjoying the neighbours peeping in through the windows I decided to go to sleep.
I went to the garden to call the cat in, and shouted Lucifer.
Neighbours heard it, combined the name with the green flames and treated me gently ever since Smile
Lucifer. What's in a name. Little do they know about bringers of light or innocent kittens...
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Here y' are:
The whole thing:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/twain/letearth.htm
Letters from Earth:

Here's a taste of it:
* * * *

The Creator sat upon the throne, thinking. Behind him stretched the illimitable continent of heaven, steeped in a glory of light and color; before him rose the black night of Space, like a wall. His mighty bulk towered rugged and mountain-like into the zenith, and His divine head blazed there like a distant sun. At His feet stood three colossal figures, diminished to extinction, almost, by contrast -- archangels -- their heads level with His ankle-bone.

When the Creator had finished thinking, He said, "I have thought. Behold!"

He lifted His hand, and from it burst a fountain-spray of fire, a million stupendous suns, which clove the blackness and soared, away and away and away, diminishing in magnitude and intensity as they pierced the far frontiers of Space, until at last they were but as diamond nailheads sparkling under the domed vast roof of the universe.

At the end of an hour the Grand Council was dismissed.

They left the Presence impressed and thoughtful, and retired to a private place, where they might talk with freedom. None of the three seemed to want to begin, though all wanted somebody to do it. Each was burning to discuss the great event, but would prefer not to commit himself till he should know how the others regarded it. So there was some aimless and halting conversation about matters of no consequence, and this dragged tediously along, arriving nowhere, until at last the archangel Satan gathered his courage together -- of which he had a very good supply -- and broke ground. He said: "We know what we are here to talk about, my lords, and we may as well put pretense aside, and begin. If this is the opinion of the Council -- "

"It is, it is!" said Gabriel and Michael, gratefully interrupting.

"Very well, then, let us proceed. We have witnessed a wonderful thing; as to that, we are necessarily agreed. As to the value of it -- if it has any -- that is a matter which does not personally concern us. We can have as many opinions about it as we like, and that is our limit. We have no vote. I think Space was well enough, just as it was, and useful, too. Cold and dark -- a restful place, now and then, after a season of the overdelicate climate and trying splendors of heaven. But these are details of no considerable moment; the new feature, the immense feature, is -- what, gentlemen?"

"The invention and introduction of automatic, unsupervised, self-regulating law for the government of those myriads of whirling and racing suns and worlds!"

"That is it!" said Satan. "You perceive that it is a stupendous idea. Nothing approaching it has been evolved from the Master Intellect before. Law -- Automatic Law -- exact and unvarying Law -- requiring no watching, no correcting, no readjusting while the eternities endure! He said those countless vast bodies would plunge through the wastes of Space ages and ages, at unimaginable speed, around stupendous orbits, yet never collide, and never lengthen nor shorten their orbital periods by so much as the hundredth part of a second in two thousand years! That is the new miracle, and the greatest of all -- Automatic Law! And He gave it a name -- the LAW OF NATURE -- and said Natural Law is the LAW OF GOD -- interchangeable names for one and the same thing."

"Yes," said Michael, "and He said He would establish Natural Law -- the Law of God -- throughout His dominions, and its authority should be supreme and inviolable."

"Also," said Gabriel, "He said He would by and by create animals, and place them, likewise, under the authority of that Law."

"Yes," said Satan, "I heard Him, but did not understand. What is animals, Gabriel?"

"Ah, how should I know? How should any of us know? It is a new word."

[Interval of three centuries, celestial time -- the equivalent of a hundred million years, earthly time. Enter a Messenger-Angel.]

"My lords, He is making animals. Will it please you to come and see?"
They went, they saw, and were perplexed. Deeply perplexed -- and the Creator noticed it, and said, "Ask. I will answer."
"Divine One," said Satan, making obeisance, "what are they for?"
"They are an experiment in Morals and Conduct. Observe them, and be instructed."

There were thousands of them. They were full of activities. Busy, all busy -- mainly in persecuting each other. Satan remarked -- after examining one of them through a powerful microscope: "This large beast is killing weaker animals, Divine One."

"The tiger -- yes. The law of his nature is ferocity. The law of his nature is the Law of God. He cannot disobey it."
"Then in obeying it he commits no offense, Divine One?"

"No, he is blameless."
"This other creature, here, is timid, Divine One, and suffers death without resisting."
"The rabbit -- yes. He is without courage. It is the law of his nature -- the Law of God. He must obey it."

"Then he cannot honorably be required to go counter to his nature and resist, Divine One?"
"No. No creature can be honorably required to go counter to the law of his nature -- the Law of God."
After a long time and many questions, Satan said, "The spider kills the fly, and eats it; the bird kills the spider and eats it; the wildcat kills the goose; the -- well, they all kill each other. It is murder all along the line. Here are countless multitudes of creatures, and they all kill, kill, kill, they are all murderers. And they are not to blame, Divine One?"
"They are not to blame. It is the law of their nature. And always the law of nature is the Law of God. Now -- observe -- behold! A new creature -- and the masterpiece -- Man!"
Men, women, children, they came swarming in flocks, in droves, in millions.
"What shall you do with them, Divine One?"
* * * * *

Once you get this far, there's no turning back, you gotta read the whole thing !!

I love to see Baba stirring up trouble Smile
Hail the Light Bringer! No wonder he has cloven hooves.. he's God's scapegoat! Smile

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Thanks, Myst

Oh what a spell, Baba!
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Wow.. I've never read it all the way through before 'til now; those Letters to Earth are quite disturbing.. and the logic is irrefutable (unless you're gifted with the unique logic that is characteristic of a preacher).

The one weird thing is, Twain seems to shift focus in the middle: he starts off as reporting how mankind views God and himself in the Universe, but ends up pretty much blaming God for everything in a more 3rd person narrative kind of way - he sort of let's go the fact that this was from mankind's viewpoint.
But then, we are creations of the creator, so, in a vicious kind of cycle, I guess the things we imagine are no different from the things we do or the way things really are -it all comes from the Creator, ultimately.
I love how Twain blows away the "free choice" myth.. there is no "free choice", it's an illusion - we are what we are.
I wonder if any of the Gospel magicians want to take a chance to wander in here and argue.. I'll eat them alive if they dare pop their head in here.
:bat:

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