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Doug Peters
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When giants of science such as Newton, Leibniz, Pascal, Boyle, Faraday, and Maxwell whole-heartedly embraced the supernatural, it is more than a little absurd than midgets such as ourselves should dismiss it in the name of "science".

For future reference, "Maxwell's Equations" were what you were taught -- even at WaM4U.

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I have not worked in electronics since the early 90s, so I'm a little rusty on Maxwell theorem, or equasion. In fact I thought it was Nikola Tesla that ruled the roost when it came to electricity, and once again I have no idea what church, mosque, or synagague Mr. Tesla attended. I have no idea if he was a family man, beat his wife, smoked, drank, or was a vegetarian. Actually it was 1987 when I decided to dedecated all of my time to juggling, and magic. Concidently the cold war ended, and military electronics had massive layoffs.
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On 2007-08-14 18:50, Al Angello wrote:
I thought it was Nikola Tesla that ruled the roost.
That degree in electrical engineering would have required (in 1980 and later) for you to have passed at least two "Electro-Magnetic Theory" courses. The more advanced one would have had you memorize and utilize Maxwell's Equations, of which Einstein wrote: "The most profound and fruitful [work...] since Newton".
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Thank God this thread is not about me. In 1980 I was 35 years old, and raising two kids. As far as I know in this country we still have the freedom of religion, and the freedom from religion. I follow the beat of my own drum, and I always have.
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I certainly hope that nothing I've said has led you to imagine that I am attempting to limit your freedoms! Or your rhythm! In fact, I have no beef with a thread enabling atheistic discussion. My only point was that it could surely have a more appropriate title than "The Science of Magic". There are certainly a number of interesting applications of what is truly Science to the field of Magic without recourse to any metaphysics.

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I am not an atheist, but I do not wear my religion on my sleeve. You are trying to make conversions at the wrong time, and in the wrong place. We are talking about science as it applies to magic. A good example of this is, you can easily stand a dozen raw eggs on their ends during the vernal equinox, and at the end of that 2 hour window of opportunity they will all fall down.
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On 2007-08-14 11:46, GeorgeG wrote:
The magic of today is the science of tomorrow
theres a lot of science in magic especially when you use chemicals,And simple machines. Maybe someday the Invention Tesla used in the movie the "Prestige" will become a reality!!!!!! look out !!!!!!.
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On 2007-08-14 20:55, Al Angello wrote:
A good example of this is, you can easily stand a dozen raw eggs on their ends during the vernal equinox, and at the end of that 2 hour window of opportunity they will all fall down.


http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/egg_spin.html

As long as we're being scientific. However, if you wanted to keep the myth going, as a magician, you could easily make them all stand and all fall over at one time. You'd have to be Houdini to keep the audience watching this for two hours, however. That's REAL magic.
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On 2007-08-14 20:55, Al Angello wrote:
We are talking about science as it applies to magic.

Actually, *I* was *trying* to talk about science as it applies to magic. *You* were insisting on discussing "godless heathens":
- Aug 13, 2007 9:12pm
- Aug 14, 2007 12:41pm
- Aug 14, 2007 4:32pm
That's 3/4 of all your posts til that time; 3/18 of all of the posts on the first thread in the "Science of Magic".
The evidence (a concept that anyone who talks about science should be familiar with) indicates that it is *you* who have a religious agenda here.

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On 2007-08-14 23:18, Spellbinder wrote:
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On 2007-08-14 20:55, Al Angello wrote:
A good example of this is, you can easily stand a dozen raw eggs on their ends during the vernal equinox, and at the end of that 2 hour window of opportunity they will all fall down.


http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/egg_spin.html

As long as we're being scientific. However, if you wanted to keep the myth going, as a magician, you could easily make them all stand and all fall over at one time. You'd have to be Houdini to keep the audience watching this for two hours, however. That's REAL magic.


How about that for a trick using a magic egg timer, two eggs and an imp bottle?
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Doug
I am a juggler, a magician, and a comedian. I have met people with no sense of humor before, but none quite as serious as you. Lighten up my friend LIFE IS SHORT.
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Al,
You're zero for three looking for insults that'll stick. But feel free to keep trying, you must be entertaining someone...
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Im a bio-medical researcher now teaching HS Biology. this can be agreat forum. I use magic to focus students on observation, critical thinking etc. The "real" magic is that the natural world is far more interesting and intriguing than most people can fathom. That being said sets focus some attention as to how we can incorporate science and magic. i.e. a retention of vision vanish uses physiological attributes to fool the eye into seeing what is and is not there.

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Welcome to the magic Café. At one time I was professor Bob's assistant. Professor Bob had many cool science experiments that he would present at school assemblies, it was both magic, and science. Professor Bob is still doing it full time, and probibly makes more money than I do. The down side was Bob would stay up late at night preparing for his presentations.
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Al,

certainly a great amount of new-wave magic will be enabled by electric and electronics. So great to have your knowledge available . . .

I am just thinking of the almost endless possibilities of a reed swithc . . .

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My father used to beat me with a reed swithc. It didn't hurt a bit! That's probably why I didn't larn nuthin.
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He should have used a willow.
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On 2007-08-15 23:05, Spellbinder wrote:
My father used to beat me with a reed swithc. It didn't hurt a bit! That's probably why I didn't larn nuthin.
That isn't as bad as my father using a rubber hose LOL. One good thing about that is that it keped me in line,and learned a lot from my father.Kids now days need that to keep the bad things like the culimbine incidents from happening.I`m glad I didn't turn out like that.Wich is a positive note these days.
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A reed switch. Now that's a nice little device to have around. Used this device in a couple of effects.
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Someone mentioned Newton, oddly enough I had just considered Newton and his smartnessosity which I will hereby state thusly: "Newton wasn't that great, he's known for getting hit by an apple (Oooooh, it FELL on my head, I invented gravity!)
Having poor reflexes coupled with unawareness of your surroundings shouldn't make you famous."

Yes I did take that directly from something someone wrote, but that someone was me and I got his permission.

Doug was right this should have a less atheistic name. A bible didn't fall on Newtons head after all.... How about "Magicians Smartnessosity"?

And to think I'll still be sober for another hour!

Posted: Aug 17, 2007 7:24pm
Sorry Newton's thing was the law of gravity.

So he invented the legal system which has oversight over gravity (It's in the Patriot Act). So if you don't like gravity, your a communist!
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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