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Al Angello
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I have a degree in electrical engineering, and I have high hopes for "the science of magic".
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mrunge
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I can't wait!!! This should be a really interesting room to visit.

Mark. Smile
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Finally a place where we can have more indepth discussions of the apparatus of magic
"You may think that i only talk of things from the past, you know, history, well magic is history"

-Guy Jarrett

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EABdAEt_fM

Anyone here of Bob Friedhoffer, he does magic with science to make it interesting so people learn without getting bored.

I wouldn't mind getting some of his books.
Bob Johnston
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He (Friedhoffer) still sells is books on his website,
http://members.aol.com/scienctrix/index.html
I used to use one of them in classroom magic at the middle school and high school level.

Bob
Al Angello
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Wait a minute is "the science of magic" the opposit of "the good news" where the godless heathens talk about magic tricks? I don't know any godless heathen tricks, but I was just a thinken.
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On 2007-08-13 21:12, Al Angello wrote:
Wait a minute is "the science of magic" the opposit of "the good news" where the godless heathens talk about magic tricks? I don't know any godless heathen tricks, but I was just asking.


when I saw this forum I thought it was for those wanting to help unravel mysteries to help invent new tricks using scientific methods, I didn't think that this was going to be a "athiest" version of the Good News Thread
"You may think that i only talk of things from the past, you know, history, well magic is history"

-Guy Jarrett

"Curiosity isn't a sin Harry, but it should be exorcised with great caution."

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Jonathan Townsend
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There's lots of work on subjective reality and perception and behavior under the influence of magical thinking. Smile
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The ancestors of magicians are the alchemists, the first scientists. We should all be interested in science. It runs through everything we do. The only real art of magic is concealing the science behind it.
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Jonathan Townsend
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Funny how magic is not about what is but about the experience of perceiving.

Alchemy... well that brings much personal responsibility and a commitment to self improvement to the base empirical model and scientific rigor. As above, so below, one thing, and that includes you too.
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I think (not sure) that the following thread was the inspiration for this room: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=40
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Theres a collage in our town of fort wayne at IPFW that has a magic course provided by one of our best magicians.
theres a lot to learn out there,many interesting subjects,and hobbies to enjoy
Jonathan Townsend
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Interesting thread.

Does this mean folks here are ready to look at how the feeling of "truth" can be elicited and then anchored?
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The magic of today is the science of tomorrow
Doug Peters
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Many years ago, I had a public "discussion" on science and magic with a "big name" on the EG. The "name" had no compunction to disparage me because I was not a "professional" magician. But he then seemed genuinely surprised when his pontifications on "the science of magic" were questioned by a professional scientist! Go figure.

Here are some things I'd like to see (as magic invites science all the more):
- statistics on audience responses, and factor analysis thereof
- measurement of angles/flash-lines for various sleights
- standards in publication: crediting and documentation

cheers, Doug
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Al Angello
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Justin
We read the same thread, which is why I asked if this area is for the godless heathen magicians?
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Doug Peters
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If this is an area for godless heathens, it is certainly an odd choice of title.
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Al Angello
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Doug
There was a time when all unknowns like crop failure were answered by the tribal witch doctor, now we have weather men. The scientists are slowly, and grudgingly getting contorle of scientific beliefs from the churches, or the witch doctors. I saw a TV show just recently on the history channel that claimed the walls of Jerico were toppled by an earth quake. Yes Doug this is the place were the godless heathens magicians can spin straw into gold.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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Doug Peters
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Al,

As a scientist, I can assure you that I am not the least bit "grudging" in my growing control over scientific *facts*. I do not, however, peddle in "scientific" *beliefs*, and frankly, I distrust anyone who does (or who claims to spin straw into gold, for that matter).

But you seem to have a muddled notion of the miraculous. If an earthquake toppled the walls of Jericho, or a meteorite hit the altar at Carmel, how would that change history? The miracle was not in the destruction of the walls/altar. The miracle was in the coincidental presence of the folk who leveraged that destruction. A lesson for all aspiring wonder-workers...

Incidentally, as an electrical engineer, you should have more than passing respect for Michael Faraday or James Clerk Maxwell. (For the uninitiated, perhaps the two most influential scientists in history from an elec.eng. perspective). No doubt you are also familiar with their respective positions on the supernatural?

cheers, Doug
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Al Angello
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I have no idea what Faraday, or Maxwell's belief in the supernatural were. I was taught about Faraday cage, and I was taught about Maxwell's theorem, but what church they went to was not taught in my school. I have a bachelor's degree from what's a matta U. in Frostbite Falls, Minnesota.
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