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themindreader
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Has Bob Cassidy started sending spam emails to anybody else again?

Grrrrrr
Tony Iacoviello
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No, but I wish he had.
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He sure is a loveable rogue.
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I wouldn't say spam.

I asked for access to his products section, and now get the odd e-mail either selling one of his products or something he no longer wants.

Hardly Viagra, enlargement pills, or some friendly chap offering a share of $60m.

If Bob's e-mails are the only spam you get a day then you are lucky.
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I don't think its spam either, I see it as him keeping us informed.
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Share of $60m?

Do you still have the address?
The Mental Lentil
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On 2007-08-29 08:58, mindpunisher wrote:
Share of $60m?

Do you still have the address?


Just ask anyone in Lagos, Nigeria. They'll know.
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Smile I love their style of English though! Its very old worldly Smile
themindreader
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Hey,

I consider them spam for three reasons:

1) The are always identical - (i.e. check out the members page at mastermindreader.com)

2) They have no 'unsubscribe' instructions - (a basic mailing list courtesy)

3) They are sent from an email address which it is impossible to reply to without getting an 'undeliverable' report back.

Although Bob is not offering Viagra, enlargement pills or a share of $60m, his business ethics generally appear to be similar to those who do.

Simon
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Subscribing someone to a mailing list and not giving them an unsubscribe option is a violation of the CAN-SPAM act in the US. Although, as far as I can tell, the FTC does virtually nothing.

I believe that the UK has even tougher spam laws.
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It is not spam or a violation of CAN-SPAM if you have an existing business relationship. If you requested information in the past or bought something from him then it isn't spam.
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On 2007-08-29 12:29, bdekolta wrote:
It is not spam or a violation of CAN-SPAM if you have an existing business relationship. If you requested information in the past or bought something from him then it isn't spam.


Sorry, I believe that you are thinking of the federal Do Not Call List.

Here's what the FTC has to say regarding the CAN-SPAM act:
It requires that your email give recipients an opt-out method. You must provide a return email address or another Internet-based response mechanism that allows a recipient to ask you not to send future email messages to that email address, and you must honor the requests. You may create a "menu" of choices to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to end any commercial messages from the sender.

Any opt-out mechanism you offer must be able to process opt-out requests for at least 30 days after you send your commercial email. When you receive an opt-out request, the law gives you 10 business days to stop sending email to the requestor's email address. You cannot help another entity send email to that address, or have another entity send email on your behalf to that address. Finally, it's illegal for you to sell or transfer the email addresses of people who choose not to receive your email, even in the form of a mailing list, unless you transfer the addresses so another entity can comply with the law.


It requires that commercial email be identified as an advertisement and include the sender's valid physical postal address. Your message must contain clear and conspicuous notice that the message is an advertisement or solicitation and that the recipient can opt out of receiving more commercial email from you. It also must include your valid physical postal address.
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Sorry but I do know what I'm talking about in this area and what I stated is correct. From the FTC - directly above what you quoted:

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A "transactional or relationship message" – email that facilitates an agreed-upon transaction or updates a customer in an existing business relationship – may not contain false or misleading routing information, but otherwise is exempt from most provisions of the CAN-SPAM Act.


I would be surprised if Cassidy is sending any serious amount of email. The CAN-SPAM requirements were to keep companies from forging addresses and using vieled links to hide their real identity. Granted Bob isn't the easiest person to contact but I don't think there is any doubt about who the email is coming from and what its intended purpose is.

My point being that just because you don't like an email doesn't mean it is spam. Falsely accusing people of spamming can have very real consequences and that is why I posted.

And for the record Bob has eventually delivered everything I have ordered from him and then some. That the contents have been high value is icing on the cake.
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Asking for access to his products section does not put you in a agreement to receive unsolicited email. I have fill out a complaint form (url below) for every bit of junk I received from this scam artist and forwarded the email to SPAM@UCE.GOV. Maybe if you do the same something will happen.

https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
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I won't get into a legal argument about the CAN-SPAM act, but if you subscribe people to a mailing list (previous relationship or not) you have to let them unsubscribe. Read the phrase "most provisions" as "some provisions still apply".

I previously ran an internet marketing business and the email vendors we used who had lawyers on staff insisted that this provision applied.

As far as I'm concerned, anybody who keeps my email address in perpetuity and does not allow me to stop receiving email I don't want from them is spamming. That's my $0.02.
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I asked for acess to his site which they gave me later.
I do get the occassional e-mails selling things I just don't have the money to buy!
If there is no unsubscribe provision......(I frankly had not bothered to notice),then may be it is spam.
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