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Mike Gorman
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While the US Endowment for the Arts does not specifically classify Magic as an art, I'm interested in finding out if anyone has any information on the topic.

Does anyone know of an "Arts Organization" that includes magic in its' classifications? It may be included under "theater" or "performing arts" as well. Acceptance in any country would be useful too!

Some magicians get eliminated from performing at local Arts Councils' events because they aren't considered part of the arts. I do know that some individuals may be included, and even individual mimes and carnival acts. I think it would be good to be able to direct the local Arts Councils attention to some prestigious arts organiztion that accepts magic as an art to influence them to have a general acceptance of magic as an art.

Any thoughts or ideas to help me? I'd sure appreciate it! Whatever we come up with can help magicians... and maybe even get some "art gigs"! Any significant information will be shared in this forum and on the IBM International Website.

You can email me if you prefer.

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Mike Gorman
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Daveandrews
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I believe the Magic Circle's HQ is known as 'The Centre for Magic Arts', here in London.

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Obviously is an Art....!!!
In our country we can registered our magic show as an art of magic in our art departement council.

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Payne
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I believe Doug Henning once secured an art grant from the Canadian Government to study magic.
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This summer, Ring 362 of Bangor, Maine, taught a three-week course in magic as part of the prestigious Summer Festival of the Arts on Mount Desert Island. Please see:

http://www.ibmring362.org/reports/RR022.html

The students loved us, and they told their parents. The program adminstrators and the SFOA Board loved us, and they want us back next summer. The stage illusion was the height of the Saturday performance segment; it was featured in the newspaper coverage. Shortly after that, I was asked to serve on the Program Committee of the Criterion Theatre and Arts Center in Bar Harbor, where our Ring is about to stage its third show. So it looked to me that since artists, administrators running an arts program, and the Board of the nonprofit organization that runs the Criterion Theatre wanted us to be a part of their various activities, we must be artists. I mean, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and paddles on top of the water, it probably ain't a canary, you know?

Not so fast! The Governor of Maine, who for the past four years has issued a Proclamation of Magic Week in response to requests by the only S.A.M. Assembly in Maine, has this year denied the request. Why? Because the Art of Magic is a "Hobby." Please see:

http://www.ibmring362.org/magicweek/magi......lamation

Well, we have a few surprises for these folks. Yes indeed. Mark my words: I will get the Governor of Maine to sign a Proclamation of Magic Week at the Criterion Theatre during the month of October.

Yours in magic (An Art, not a Hobby),

Paul
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Punx had an essay on the classification of magic as an art in one of his books. I think it was Farewell Performance. I'll look it up when I get back home and see if I can send it to you.

Since I am the last of the original three copyright holders of the English version of this who is still alive, I don't think you will run into any trouble using it as part of your promotion of magic as an Art.
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You should talk to Jamey Swiss about this. He did a lecture at our ring (50) and, during dinner, he gave an interesting comparison of magic and other arts like music and acting to the group dining with him. He was rather blunt however his message was loud and clear.
After thinking about his comments I realized there are a lot of correlation's between magic and music. Both have the many levels of participation and multiple categories. Music has garage bands, punk bands, wedding bands, classical bands, jazz, rock, rap (not sure what the rap music of magic is)! Within each area are different layers of talent. Some are good, some think they are good, quite a few are OK many are bad and some just su*k. Some write original music, some are cover bands. It's interesting to see the similarities between magic and music.
So much of magic is used in the business world it's amazing there are not classes covering magic theory and it's application in business. There is an opportunity waiting for someone!
Michael Taggert
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Hi Mike,
Several of our Ring members (myself Included) have performed at the national theater, Wolftrap National park for the arts and other prestigious Theatrical and performing arts centers. This discussion came up at dinner and This thread was specifically mentioned. As a part of our Rings service to magic our membership does include people who are connected to "the Hill" that are anxious To get Magic Nationaly recognized. we are forming an ad hock to assist The Brotherhood and SAM to persue connections here on the hill. If ballet and Mime can be Included than so can WE.
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Michael maybe you could add some Ballet to your performance. I know I would look silly in a tutu.

But yes, it should be recognized as an art form. Doug Henning managed to get it recognized to his grants in Canada.

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Use the search function and find topics already on the Café like this

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from years ago.


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drwilson
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We expect to get the Governor of Maine to proclaim Magic Week tomorrow at the Criterion Theatre in Bar Harbor. Not the current Governor, of course. We are going to have to use an old one. Really old. Please see:

http://www.ibmring362.org/magicweek/magi......arharbor

Yours,

Paul
Michael Taggert
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I recieved a reply from the NEA website today that basicaly said that they do not list magic as a discipline and currently are only funding literature, jazz music and dance.

They also were Very adamate that they would not grant money to "professional performer"
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drwilson
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So, it looks like as far as the NEA is concerned, magicians are lumped together with classical musicians, painters, sculptors, and other artists. That's not bad company to keep.

You have to think about how the NEA has been driven to this. Quite a few years back, they funded a large number of artists doing "performance art" as well as painters and sculptors. Several of these artists produced work that was controversial. When it was discovered that this offensive art was funded with taxpayer's money, there was a big firestorm and the NEA was publicly denounced.

It is interesting that they still fund literature, which has the potential to be controversial. On the other hand, in order for the controversy to get started, at least one person who is looking for a reason to be offended actually has to read some of it. Perhaps all of the knuckle-walkers in this country have given up reading, or they never learned it.

Yours,

Paul
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