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First things first! What a unbelievable piece of magic. I just bought the poker machine from Rafael (www.rafael.be). He had it for 2 years, but had no time to have a look at it. So as I have a new sort of act, he knew I could use it. So he sold me the machine! WOOOWWWWW, it's one of the best things I ever bought!

I bought it for almost the same amount that it is sold, but it's worth every penny. Tday I played with it for 3 hours long, pffff, and still everytime it amazed me in every way. I will practice more and more, because I want it to be perfect when I will use it in my "Crazy Casino".

I have one question? Don't know where or how I can proof this is not a copy, but the real thing, because I really would like to have the routine Gaetan Bloom uses with this incredible piece of electronics.

This is on the hocus-pocus site: Also included with the included detailed instructions is Gaetan Bloom's original routine! John Mendoza says, "The fact that Gaetan uses the machine himself should be motivation enough for anyone to consider one, but I would like to add that Gaetan has simplified the routine to the degree that even a child could master it in very short time. For those familiar with the machine, he has completely eliminated the two contingencies that intimidate everyone: any card value greater than six and, of course, those dreaded Kings. With his work, there is absolutely no chance of either situation occurring. And, his work neither detracts from the mystery of the trick nor the entertainment value. In fact, if you have a Gaetan Bloom performing personality, it actually adds to the entertainment value."

Is there any possible way that I could get that? I know I did'nt purchase the machine directly from Hocus Pocus...

Thx in advance!!!
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I love it too, the ad is so unbelievable I did not thrust it…

The fool I was, it does everything exactly as the ad says and more, this is a thing of terrifying beauty (thank you Max)

I waited a few years to buy it secondhand but after I received it I was sorry I did not buy it the first day I saw it!

I have had so much fun whit this the past few years and the reactions are always so great, they talk about it for a long time… Mentalism at it´s best!!!

Whit the right presentation this effect really KILLS!
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10 out of 10 for this one!
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Is it the same principle as the Cesaral Mental Mind calculator that is used ?
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No, this is nothing like Cesaral's mental calculator. Nothing is "transmitted" to or from the calculator. As I've said in a few previous posts, the ad is not an overstatement; the machine does exactly what it says it does.

If anyone has any questions about the machine, you can PM me.
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Yes, I realized in the meantinme, but thanks for your answer!
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Do I understand this correctly (I know nothing about poker): the Poker Machine displays a fifth card "all by itself". Does that mean the magician just stands by and watches what the specs do and miraculously the machine displays a card that has not been input by anyone ? e.g. the specs could do the trick even without a performer ? That would seem to degrade the mag to be just the owner of a strange machine with clairvoyance built in electronically as it is an electronic calculator with a typical electronic display. Is it not that spectators want to see a human magician inexplicably being able to read their minds and they wish to be intrigued by his capabilities, not a machine's ? A rope dancing robot or an electronic juggler is interesting for engineers but I would think less so for the person who came to see a magician perform. Somehow I must have gotten this wrong.
Please explain.
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Mr. von Freymann,(or is it Mr. Freymann?)

While the Poker Machine is, in fact, Incredible, it takes the heart and mind of a magician to make it work.
That being said, it is.... well... incredible.

I am especially attracted to things like Jim Steinmeyer's Impuzzibilities.
I would say that the poker machine would have fit nicely into one of his books.
When I first read the instructions, I thought them to be complicated.
After a second read and an afternoon of playing, it seemed very simple and at the same time, incomprehensible to anyone not knowing the secret.
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You wrote, "Is it not that spectators want to see a human magician inexplicably being able to read their minds and they wish to be intrigued by his capabilities, not a machine's ?"
My answer to that would be, "I guess so."
But if you could only see the looks on the faces of my spectators, I think you would be impressed.
There are other devices (like the Wellington Switchboard) that do not necessarily show the "skills" of the performer, yet can be very entertaining.
I cannot guarantee it, but I think that you would like the poker machine.
For me, this has never been a stage piece. I use it close up with just a few spectators at a time.
To me, it seems magical.
Runawayjag, who posted just a few posts above is the person who could help you most with it.
By the way, if I could find a machine that "the magician just stands by and watches what the specs do and miraculously the machine displays a card that has not been input by anyone," I would buy it quickly.
But if you ask my spectators and friends, they will gladly tell you that my machine does exactly that.
Let me know if I can help.
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While the machine does exactly what Karl says, that is, spectator inputs four cards and the machine reveals an unknown fifth card, it is up to the performer to create a presentation that makes this the miracle that it is. The essence of this trick is somewhat like Don Alan's Ranch Bird or the Koornwinder Kar. Sure, the bird and Kar find the chosen cards, but it is Don Alan's presentation of the trick that makes it powerful and memorable. Most magicians love Juan Tamariz' presentation of the Koornwinder Kar and apparently people who know entertainment do, too, since it has been presented at least two times on nationally televised specials here in the U.S.

Yes, the mechanical bird is finding the card and the Kar is finding the card and the Machine is revealing the card, but spectators WILL realize it is the magician creating the effect, if it is properly presented.

With users like Gaetan Bloom, Lennert Green and Eric Decamps, the machine shouldn't really need much more recommendation.
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The only downside to this effect is that it uses a big calculator that is no longer made. If this could be incorporated into a newer machine it would be better (in my opinion). You just don't really see those big blocky calculators anymore.
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My wife is an algebra teacher, and the graphing calculators currently being used in almost all high schools and colleges are just about the same size or larger. It's a TI-85, and the newer ones are just different colors and more stylish, but I don't think I'd perform this effect with a PINK calculator, anyway.

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After I posted, I ran to Wal-Mart and did indeed notice they sell some TI Calculators that look much like the Poker Machine, so, I stand corrected!
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Hello everyone,
and thanks Parson for your post, (it is not even Mr., just Kaarlo!)
It really helped me to decide whether to purchase or not and that in my opinion is the most important function of the Café.
I am surprised some posters dislike "last years model". I feel a big calculator is much better unless you are a street performer where portability is the main concern. Good book tricks are printed in big font because especially women tend not to carry the spectacles they would need to read small print. What I would rather not have are the special buttons with the pips. That cries out "I am gimmicked, I am not a normal calculator!" Admittedly I am at loss of how the pips could be avoided except for alphanumeric input, which most "simple" calculators do not have and most specs are not very good at either.

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1. The pips are not really "special buttons" they are just "stickers" put on buttons that are already there. I don't think anyone will think "gimicked calculator."

2. really it doesn't matter what model or size or buttons; it is not a calculator; it is a special POKER MACHINE.

3. as most already know, if you're on the fence, make the small investment in John's dvd with the performance of this effect.

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The same effect can be done, in an easier way (my opinion) with two products:
1) "Cesaral Mental Mind Calculator", and
2) “Cesaral ESP calculator”
You would just have to present it properly…. You would just have to do this:

1) Prepare the calculator. Put some stickers on the calculator keys as follows:
"MR" would be the button used to guess the missing card (see the yellow button)
"/" would have a stiker with "clubs-1"
"x" would have a stiker with "spades-2"
"square" would have a stiker with "hearts-4"
"-" would have a stiker with "diamonds-3"

have a look at the picture attached to see how it looks like…

2) Do the effect. In this case the order of the cards is not an issue…so it is much easier…
For example, if the card to input to the calculator is the 10 of hearts, then the spectator would type a “10” and then type the key with the hearts symbol.
…if the card to input to the calculator is the 7 of spades, then the spectator would type a “7” and then type the key with the spades symbol.
You would do the same with the four cards

3) The spectator would then press the magic key “MR” to get the “unknown card” and the calculator would:
For example:
a) If the missing card is the “2 of hearts”, it would show 24.
b) If the missing card is the “Jack of spades”, it would show 112.
c) If the missing card is the “5 of clubs”, it would show 51.
d) If the missing card is the “King of diamonds”, it would show 133.

Take into account that in “Cesaral ESP Calculator”, the transmitter is hidden in a calculator, and the receiver is also a calculator. Both calculators are externally the same!. The receiver would receive the number finally input by the magician with the transmitter calculator. The magician would easily justify having another calculator in his hands to show how to operate with the other one.

Feel free to ask me any further information you may need. This is just another use of these two calculators…don´t forget that there are many others!

Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic)

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Thanks for the idea Cesar! I think I prefer using your calculator as it has been designed initially. It really plays so strong! But thanks for the idea! Smile
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To compare the Cesaral Calculators to the Poker Machine is completely absurd. The Poker Machine uses no transmitters; the machine DOES in fact "calculate" the chosen card.

And the Poker Machine shows no silly "code" like 24 to mean 2 of Hearts. It shows a giant "2" and a giant heart (not the word, the actual pip.)

Not to mention that Cesaral's two calculators would cost you well into four figures!

In any case, if anyone has any questiona about the Poker Machine, feel free to ask. Also, keep in mind that when we developed this, we tried ALL the TI calculators to try to find a more current one and only the TI-85 will actually operate for the Poker Machine routine. And, yes, we have continued to try newer smaller models, although, frankly, I think the bigger model is better as it is easier to read.

And, finally, as someone posted, it is NOT presented as a calculator, in fact, the instructions advise you never to use it as such. It is presented as a Poker Machine. In the ten years and thouands (literally) of times I've done this for real people, I've never had anyone say, "That's a calculator not a Poker machine."

The Cesaral Calculators (I've had them both and love them,) cannot duplicate the actual effect of the Poker Machine. If you really want to see it and convince yourself, borrow a copy of my DVD's and watch the routine.
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This is just another presentation idea in case you use the “Cesaral ESP calculators” (one calculator transmitter and another calculator as a receiver), which by the way retails for 795$ (not 4 figures, just 3...):

"I have discovered how to use a calculator to guess the fifth card of a random poker hand. Please test the calculator if you wish, and then let me cover some of the keys with these stickers (you would then put the 5 stickers I mentioned)" Then you would instruct how to input the desired four cards…in any order. The magician would be showing how to do this with the ESP calculator transmitter which is the one he is holding. This would justify why the magician has another calculator…

Once the spectator has input the four cards, a random number will be in the display. The spectator will press the last button for guessing the fifth card, the display will show “0”, and you will tell something like “The calculator is now applying a secret formula and will take a few seconds”. Then you would use the ESP calculator transmitter to input the number that corresponds to the fifth card which is known by the magician. If you use the calculator with one hand, which is really easy, you will easily input the number that you want the receiver to show 3 seconds later…done!

You can see a picture of how it would look like in this document:

Poker Machine presentation with Cesaral ESP Calculator.doc

Which can be found here:
http://www.cesaral.com/CesaralESPcalculator
user: ESP
password: 1234

Have a look at the rest of the files…some are really interesting.

Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic)
http://www.cesaral.com
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On 2009-02-05 16:06, goldeneye007 wrote:
Thanks for the idea Cesar! I think I prefer using your calculator as it has been designed initially. It really plays so strong! But thanks for the idea! Smile


You are welcome!
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I have heard some really wonderful stuff about Cesaral products.
If I could afford it, I would like to buy several thousand dollars worth of these products.
BUT. for the life of me, I do not see how this could be as effective a way to do the effect as the Poker Machine.
I have nothing to do with selling, marketing or constructing the Poker Machine.
I am just a very satisfied user.
As some of you know, I am a right hand amputee. For my routine with the Poker machine, a spectator is given the machine and I never touch it again.
In one part of the routine, 4 cards are input in the machine by the spectator. I do not even know what the cards are as the spectator inputs the values of the cards.
This is not an exaggeration. I cannot think of a way that this could be done with an ESP calculator.
Now don't get me wrong. If John Mendoza would send me his ESP Calculator, I would put it to good use. But I would still use my Poker Machine exactly like I do now.
I paid full price for my Poker Machine and then I purchased a backup.
Please don't take this as any kind of put down of the Cesaral products.
I do not own any, but have been told by one of the most reputable suppliers around that they are wonderful. And this is what I believe.
But I think that it is a mistake to think that they will(no matter how miraculous they are) do as good a job with my poker routine as will the Poker Machine.
Having said all that, if someone can convince me otherwise, I will gladly admit my error.

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