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Jonathan Townsend
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On 2007-09-29 18:28, podcastrant wrote:...
To quote myself above, "I was just letting others know the creator's take on things."


If by that you mean the guy who showed the trick to Kenner...

Yes to using large props in the parlor venue. And when you are doing magic close up ... you may want to make sure you are not offending by making abrupt gestures with your elbows up. It's not just a BO risk but a basic threatening action familiar to martial arts students.

But getting back to the larger venue situation, both billiards and using a coin stand to display the coins can bring this trick up to significant visibility.

IMHO you might ask a top notch woodworker about a clever coinstand to seriously upgrade the visibility and options in your coin magic. Coins flat on the table are all but gone from a few steps away.
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Jonathan, every time 3-fly comes up you always refer billiards. Well in am going to finally look into that. It looks like a cool routine. Sorry for getting of topic.
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You can find the ball version using a ] dating back to 1975 in the Genii article.

Since I started all this with gaffs you can see why I support folks exploring what works for them using all means available.

Notes for amusement follow:

Yes I really did have to stumble over the ideas a few times before I settled on that aesthetic for my coin magic. Back in 74 Lou Lancaster made a comment to me about the closed hand or covered aspect of magic being important to the audience... while I was starting to seriously consider the "ghost story" approach where things are not hidden by deliberate covering but instead brought out of direct view by apparently natural circumstance.
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I agree with you Mano about Jonathan's involvement. I think Jonathan knows that.

This is one issue in coin magic that I think about a lot. How much does a trick have to be revised before it's considered your own. On that same DVD, Chris gives a lot of credit to Jonathan. David Roth, on the same dvd, says that Chris is the creator of 3Fly as we know it and Jonathan's VCA is the genesis, but an entirely different beast. Here's his quote:

"When you saw Jonathan's original version, you'd say whatever you'd say, but you'd say this is not what we think of as 3Fly. Chris is the one that really brought it up here, so that all the coins went across at the fingertips...Chris is the one that took what they call VCA and turned it into what we call 3Fly."

I'm interested in your thoughts Jonathan. They can be on here or Pm'ed.

ps..viris, I don't think you're off topic about the billiards, since this is what inspired Jonathan to construct the VCA.
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The history of the trick as best I know it is pretty much all in the Genii article, warts and all. Everything from fumbling with six coins as three, using wax and clips to get rid of the other three to using Roth's Winged Silver method with fingertip coin vanishes and appearances...most of my stumbling is recorded. The gaffed work using wax, shells, coin clips and pulls was done and set aside in favor of ordinary coins when enough folks asked me to do magic with their coins and in close quarters. The basis of my thoughts on the gaffed approaches are written on the Café and I've given credit to all the books, innovators, props, gaffs, routines and even a card trick (gaffed six card repeat) where it influenced my thinking.

But IHMO the VCA is just a particular trick developed to demonstrate (to my satisfaction) that one can do coin magic using NOTHING BUT open display sleights and attention management. I have no idea why folks are stuck on the coins across plot or using three or why the methods as known by all and sundry today have not been applied to the rest of the tricks folks are exploring.

I have not seen any significant handling, method or basic approach explorations that IMHO merit published mention aside from one by Reed McClintock who discovered that if you are going to move both hands, doing it asynchronously or out of phase can offer a very odd perceptual effect. A fine observation and something worth exploring on its own IMHO.

So... what's NEW? Not trivial variations using C/S/B and ] gaffs or pulls. Really... what's NEW? How about a presentation for the trick? BTW Gary Kurtz has a very good and sound presentation frame for the trick. IMHO it's the basic presentation where folks need to look for novel themes and notions. I strongly believe that when you have a solid presentation the methodology will suggest itself and you will have a piece worth performing.

Puzzled in Westchester,

Jon

If I were using the coins in which the gaffed versions were offered ... I would probably have bought cfwm to explore.
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Thanks Jonathan, this helped me out.
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3 Fly topic, 1700 views, 40+ post. Smile
3 Fly III for me. Hybrid 3 fly and penetration.
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Cool Gary!
Is there a chance we'll see it on YouTube or something anytime soon? I personally like Daryl's 3F III although I've haven't seen that many routines. Once I move up to at the finger tip work I'd really like to learn Rannie's handling!
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YouTube? nawh, DVD coming soon. lol
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Looking forward to it Gary!
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Is there anyone that sells the dollar version other than Mark Mason?
Im not in the UK so I don't think I can order off of his website.
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On 2007-09-30 11:49, jamie9 wrote:
Is there anyone that sells the dollar version other than Mark Mason?
Im not in the UK so I don't think I can order off of his website.

I think you can. Try to e-mail them they are pretty good with responding.
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I was wondering does any one have a alternative to placing the coin in the pocket with Daryls 3 flyIII. I think the routine is great. Good response from the audience except for that move. Was thinking of sleeving or using a Tie topit to get rid of the 4th coin...
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Paris,
Do a search here on the Café as it HAS been discussed!
Jonathan Townsend
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On 2007-09-30 17:26, Paris wrote:
I was wondering does any one have a alternative to placing the coin in the pocket with Daryls 3 flyIII. I think the routine is great. Good response from the audience except for that move. Was thinking of sleeving or using a Tie topit to get rid of the 4th coin...


Much simpler to use a Workaroo
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Ok bought the CFWM cause it was all I could find, and it was pricey enough, I would have preffered the dollar sized coins...whaere can I find those U3F dollars?
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CFWM and U3F are different routines using different gaffs. Bob Kohler marketed U3F with coins made by Todd Lassen. For reasons you can find with google, that venture soured. The U3F is no longer marketed with a routine. You can get an improved version of the original gimmick from Todd (sans routine) if you can stand the wait. Otherwise, the original U3F is available on the Café or Genii sales forums from time to time or eBay (with the routine only on video). Bob Kohler is planning on marketing an improved U3F which should come out some time soon.
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And If you get U3F From Todd ( Sans Routine) I have A book full of routines for It! Smile And It's not all 3 fly stuff! P.M. me for more info!
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