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DylanTolly New user Australia 94 Posts 
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Matt, you are acting incredibly childish... Your opinion is not the be all and end all simply because it's 'your' opinion. That's arrogance, a characteristic that NOBODY likes in a personality. Just because you disagree with some people in this thread, does not mean you have to insult people in a little temper tantrum.
Other people are entitled to their own opinions, and you should respect that. There is a huge difference between deliberately exposing magic, and making mistakes whilst performing the art. You are kidding yourself if you believe you never make mistakes while performing, everyone does. When it happens, like all of the respected members of the magic community have already pointed out, the most important thing to do about it is LEARN from it... -Dylan |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts
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On 2007-09-29 18:40, Magicmatt1982 wrote: Get a load of this guy!!!!! He comes on here talking about "magical treason" and "you should all be ashamed of yourselves". He talks about exposure and the mask magician... THEN HE SAYS THAT HE HAS A DVD COMING OUT WITH MAGIC MAKERS!!!!!!!! THE BIGGEST THIEVES IN THE BUSINESS!!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS MATT!!!! I truly hope you are done with all of us.....Wishfull thinking? I hope not... Grow up hipocrite... I beg of all of you NOT TO PURCHASE HIS DVD FROM THIEVES. THAT WOULD BE MAGICAL TREASON!!! Posted: Oct 1, 2007 8:39pm SO GET A LOAD OF THIS!!! I was over on the dvd forums and was reading the review of Ben Salinas "the reserve", a Magic Makers release. I scrolled down and low and behold a quote on the dvd from Magimatt1982!!!! Here it is: On June 19, 2007 Magicmatt1982 wrote: "I watch this dvd when it came into my families magic shop. It is all a rip off. I have talked to Rob(Stiff) about it but he does not care. So those are my thoughts". You can check it out yourself! http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......m=111&21 Can you believe this guy????? He knows that Magic Makers is bad and he is still "releasing" a DVD with them just to get his silly little name out. Talk about Treason!!!! You are a real piece of work Matt and should be ashamed of yourself. I can't believe you have the nerve to come on here and point fingers like you did, unbelievable. What does Ice Mcdonald think of this? |
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DylanTolly New user Australia 94 Posts
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Touche Hart Keene.
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kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts
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The other night my wife and I were at a restaurant with two othe couples. One of them burned the magish's hands (this guy is one of the best restaurant workers ever - years of experience starting with Schulien's and the New York Lounge in Chicago).
One of the guys proceeds to tell the magish how he did the card stab - he was slightly close to it. Here is what the magish said, VERY calmly and in a friendly way - "don't let anyone else know that you know" This guy repeats himself (!). What did the magish do? He repeated his line word for word - and that was that. The conversation went on. I learned a lot that night about this type of situation (the whole presentation was fabulous btw).
Michael Miller
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Magicmatt1982 Loyal user Southeren IL 296 Posts
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I just want to let everyone of you know that you have taken what I have said why out of context. This is my last post ever on here. THat is all I am saying about that.
Magic Makers. I have talked to rob and things are going well. Rob is not doing busniess like he did. My video is something that I am very proud of. I have credit the right people on it. Every has thee own thoughts about other people. But Rob like everyone else has done bad things. But he has done a great job of cleaning up now. by the way I do not get why every attack Magic Makers but when there are people like steve bender from ickle pickle in st louis it is ok to rip off. anyways. I hope you all the best but I am moving on. |
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paymerich Special user Norwalk, CT 546 Posts
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I guess since I started the thread I should respond now. Matt, the biggest problem people are having with your statement is it's sweeping condemnation of anymagician who has any problem occur during the performance of an effect. Of course we should follow magic rule #1 ( or is it #3) to practice, practice, practice. or should it really be rehearse rehearse rehearse? But you can not control everything!
Your statement allude that when ( during a sponge ball routine) the spectator opens his/her hand too soon that is magical treason? When a gust of wind blows over the 4 aces assembled before the final revelation? When a waiter bumps your hand by accident and you dropped a palmed coin? When a 4 year old kid comes over looks directly under your cards, sees them for what they really are and yells it out loud? Should I wear my mask of shame now ? We are human and divinely blessed to err. You can be confident without being arrogant. But you came across as saying "I never make mistakes and if you do you are hurting magic" . If you can honestly say you have never made a technical mistake ( whether someone called you on it or not) ,then sign up for FISM. You feel so deeply what you said was right and it would be right if 2 things were true 1) one we are all robots expected to be perfect an 2) if Magic really meant a darn in the grand scheme of life. I hold no ill will to you Matt, heck I even may buy your DVD, but don't judge your fellow magi in such a broad stroke.
Have a Magical Day!
<BR> <BR>The Maniacal Mage <BR> <BR>Pablo Aymerich <BR>Norwalk, CT 06851 |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts
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On 2007-10-04 10:17, Magicmatt1982 wrote: Uhhh....its not ok ever! So a few months after your post saying that Magic Makers is a rip off you are now defending them? Could this be because you now have something to gain from them? I hope you all the best as well...sellout. |
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sibbie Special user East Coast 523 Posts
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I think this is going to be one of those things that no matter what you do or say the opinion of the other side simply does not matter and Matt will only get more defensive if he continues to post. It just isn't worth it to argue about it. Easiest thing to do is not buy the DVD.
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts
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On 2007-10-04 17:23, sibbie wrote: You bet I won't be buying it! The point is he is working with thieves... Thieves that he labeled as thieves a few months ago. He didn't think someone would run into his other post on another thread. That or he forgot he posted it since it was a few months back. |
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Mike Melito Loyal user 263 Posts
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On getting caught.....
When it's happened to me with a kid I just shrug it off and pull out the 'ole Slydini silks to challange the know it all. When it's an adult I readily admit it's just a TRICK and move on. |
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princehal Loyal user Pennsylvania 214 Posts
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I was at dinner tonight, and did a coin through table with a coin unique. The $&*#* quarter was upside down. No one noticed. I was sure someone would have noticed as I flipped the half, but no one did. I just kept going as if all were normal.
When I have been caught, it has always been by children. Sometimes adults might see something and not say anything. Children blurt it right out. Tough audience! |
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9492 Posts
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I'll give you a worse scenario.
I had a magician break my thread on purpose then walk away! Want the ame of the rascal...PM me.
Jay Leslie
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1267 Posts
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Some moves look suspicious (even executed well) and you might get caught. Bill Malone touches on this during his explanation of his 'Keeping the Money Safe!' routine. In a nutshell, he challenges the spectator to try and catch 'the move' as he executes it. If they do catch him, then nothing's lost because it served it's purpose of helping to get to the next <stronger> phase of the routine.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts
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On 2007-10-04 10:17, Magicmatt1982 wrote: I don't think you realized that Rob Stiff..IS... Ben Salinas's UNCLE! Now I KNOW you regret hooking up with them.
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the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Flec Special user Birmingham, UK 585 Posts
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Recently when people have said "i know how you did that" I have found myself handing them the deck of cards and then saying "well can you do it, then I can g home?"
if you say it in the right way it can be humorous 
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dlachance Veteran user Mississippi 343 Posts
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I usually just say something like "well how would you do it?" (toungue and cheeky)....
Dorian
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ptigue New user Alabama 95 Posts
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The other night my father got busted doing a cut and restored rope. When the kid (i.e., teenager) came up and called him on it, he replied, "Am I going to have to do it again just for you to make sure you were paying attention?"
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Adam1975 Special user UK 895 Posts
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Show me someone whos never screwed up during a paid gig,or any gig come to that,and I will show you someone who hardly ever performs..........
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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darkdean Regular user 153 Posts
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I hated it when I would hear them whisper I'll tell you later but it got me thinking just because they think they know how its done it does not make it a bad trick or performance and it does show they were paying attention and interested.
So when I hear it or see a telling glint in there eye I just smile and carry on. and try very hard to ignore that nagging feeling in my head about what I did wrong. 
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WilburrUK Veteran user 389 Posts
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I just hope Matt doesn't do any spelling tricks. He's a traitor to the English language.
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