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FeiFongWong New user 75 Posts |
Hey guys. I've been a member of the Café for ages, but to be honest only ever use it for the search feature! There's so much stuff here its unbelievable.
However, I have 2 questions I haven't found the answer to: 1. Lippincott box: I hear that it's half examinable. Before I buy one, is it examinable enough for the spectator to open up & retrieve the ring themselves, or is it wiser if I do it? 2. Will I need to reset, or can I just pop the box back in my pocket and go on to the next performance? Is there a way to reset in the process of the trick? Thanks. |
nucinud Inner circle New York, New York 1298 Posts |
The spectator can open the box.
Reset is easy, but you should not do in front of any body.
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tbaer Inner circle Pennsylvania 2003 Posts |
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On 2007-09-11 18:15, FeiFongWong wrote: You're actually resetting the box in the process of the trick. |
Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
You can reset it as you're putting it in your pocket or case. And I ALWAYS have the spec open the box. There was a locking LB on the market a while back for those who are "worriers." Never got one myself, but you can probably find one.
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
It's a great utility prop. It's used for one effect in my new book (Kingdom of the Red) in Chapter 2 called Binary Predictions. And as Scott mentions, having the spectaor unlock and open the box is essential. I've never had a spect. find the gaff while handling the box.
Larry |
FeiFongWong New user 75 Posts |
Thanks for the responses guys. I really couldn't have asked for any more: based on your answers, I've ordered a Lippincott box, which should be here soon. I have another question, however:
Do you think that the lock on the front of the box makes the effect 'too perfect'? I've been trying to get my head around Too Perfect Theory for a while, and this seems to be an example of it. Have you had any experience of spectators guessing how the ring got in there, simply because of how impossible the locked box seems? Hope that made sense. |
dimosa New user Belgium/antwerp 67 Posts |
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On 2007-09-14 11:50, FeiFongWong wrote: With the lock on it ... that's really a convincer!!! I love my lippencot box and do always my ring vanish. the reset is so easy and immediatly repeated. sry for my english dimosa |
Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
Don't worry about the Too Perfect Theory. Most people misunderstand what it means, anyway. It actually refers to eliminating all solutions except the correct one. That isn't an issue with good presentation. Without the padlock, the effect is weak--people will assume you merely sneaked the item in the box. The padlock is what makes it magical.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9519 Posts |
I got a question about the box. I have an effect I'd like to use it for but just a little unsure as to how you load the box while it's out on the table in front??? I've seen David Stone use it from his pocket which helps with the undercover loading, but sitting out on the table in front of the spec on the table...I don't quite see how to load it without bringing attention to the dirty hand or the waiting box. Any thoughts?
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Have it in a little bag, or under a handkerchief.
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
Or in a paper bag safe for the Porper Strongbox. I've used that any it plays very well with the crowd.
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Julie Inner circle 3936 Posts |
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On 2007-09-28 14:43, Mb217 wrote: If you would consider borrowing a coin instead of a ring... There's a timing issue here that might take care of your concerns: there are techniques whereby the supposed "marked borrowed coin" is still in sight, but you actually have the real marked/borrowed coin secretly in your possession...so while the spectator still thinks he sees the borrowed coin you bring out the (loaded) Lippincott Box and proceed to perform a miracle! Julie |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Reminds me of one of the greatest classic small close up props of all time - sold in joke stores... the marked coin in the small box and tiny cloth bag.
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Hayre Regular user Arkansas 194 Posts |
Boxes vary inversely in their ease of resetting, and the extent of spectator handling they can absorb.
I have four L-boxes. Viking can be reset (barely) with lid closed, from outside of box, and also easily from inside of open box, so it cannot be handled as freely by spectator after opened. Milson Worth can be reset only with box opened, and only one specific way from inside….spectator can handle just about as much as they wish (99.9 percent safe). Then, a Robert’s Chest, I think, which is a bear to reset, but once the spectator opens the box, they cannot ever find anything (100% safe). In some ways, safer than the marvelous Porper Box. |
jimhlou Inner circle 3698 Posts |
Pete, funny you should mention that. I just bought one (Adams, $3.00) last week. The inner box is now plastic, and the little cloth bag has been replaced with a small rubber container - which doesn't work very well. But I guess that's progress.
As far as "bang for the buck", this has to be the all time winner. Jim |
oso2you Regular user Oregon 128 Posts |
I really think that the old coin in sealed box is one of the world's great magic tricks. I replaced the bag with a small cloth one which goes inside a matchbox which is sealed with rubberbands. I use a coin fold in paper to vanish the coin. Has always generated great responses. Needs a good build up and it's a minor miracle.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Never discount the Lippincott box as an "Out" to keep handy. It can bail you out and the world never knows anything went wrong, went wrong, went wrong...
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GWSchott Veteran user Southeastern Michigan 361 Posts |
I've got the Viking version and for the longest time it sat on my shelf because I didn't know what to do with it. But then one day I pulled it out and did a ring flight type thing, and wow! the specators were floored. Soooo, now I'm using it in just about all of my adult shows. I would definitely recommend having a spectator open the box...I think it would look too suspicious if the magician did it. In fact, I set the box on a table somewhere far away from the stage, then hand a spectator the key. After the ring has vanished, I ask the spectator to open the box, and once they do and remove the ring I take the box away.
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goldeneye007 Inner circle London 2423 Posts |
Yes, I agree with GWSchott. The Viking version is really well made, the box is very nice and the effect has great impact. Locking the box is a must!! Otherwise people will think you just dumped the ring in it... With the lock they won't think you could possibly have dumped the ring inside the box and then closed it in such a short time... That is why you need the lock. Time misdirection is really important in this effect. In the routine you do, when the box is shown, people must think you still have the ring...
The Viking verson is not really examinable, but you can let the spectator open the box himself of course without any risk. However, if you add a little wax to the mecanism, it is reasonably examinable... But usually people will not ask to examine the box... For them it's just a box... |
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