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Mikael Eriksson
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I get bigger and bigger problems of finding the words for what I want to say. For example, when I train my memory, I immediately see the exact picture in my mind, or immediately get the correct feeling, i.e. I KNOW 100% what the answer is, but I can't find the words.

An example:

Question: What happened in 1903?

Answer: Orville and Wilbur Wright flew for the first time in history.

I see it happenging in my minds eye, and I know exactly what it is that I see. But I can't find the names of the persons or the name for what they do, although it is totally familiar to me.

You would think those names are strange to me, but I also can't find the names of persons like Albert Einstein or Charlie Chaplin or the names of persons I have known for years, or even since childhood. To pinpoint it, it's names that are the biggest problem.

Is it beginning Alzheimer or Parkinson, or does everybody get this way when the get older? If 40 is old...

This doesn't happen all the time, it can be this way at 11 am, and at 11.30 am it works perfectly.
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This happens to me a lot, too. But the next day, when I'm sober, my memory is much better.

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Yeah, that could be it for some people, but I never drink, and have never been.
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On 2007-09-23 05:48, Mikael Eriksson wrote:
I get bigger and bigger problems of finding the words for what I want to say. For example, when I train my memory, I immediately see the exact picture in my mind, or immediately get the correct feeling, i.e. I KNOW 100% what the answer is, but I can't find the words.

An example:

Question: What happened in 1903?

Answer: Orville and Wilbur Wright flew for the first time in history.

I see it happenging in my minds eye, and I know exactly what it is that I see. But I can't find the names of the persons or the name for what they do, although it is totally familiar to me.

You would think those names are strange to me, but I also can't find the names of persons like Albert Einstein or Charlie Chaplin or the names of persons I have known for years, or even since childhood. To pinpoint it, it's names that are the biggest problem.

Is it beginning Alzheimer or Parkinson, or does everybody get this way when the get older? If 40 is old...

This doesn't happen all the time, it can be this way at 11 am, and at 11.30 am it works perfectly.


This isn't something you want to ask us about. If this really concerns you, you want to find a doctor and start having tests done.

It happens to me too, I refer to it as "The Dead Zone" referring to Stephen King's story. "It's, it's... oh man. I hate it when words are in the Dead Zone."
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On 2007-09-23 07:05, mandrake01 wrote:


This isn't something you want to ask us about. If this really concerns you, you want to find a doctor and start having tests done.


I agree. But I have asked several times, and they say it's normal and due to age. The last time I asked to have tests done they said it's expensive, and they don't want to pay it. That's why I asked here to see if someone have experienced the same thing and know if it's normal or not.
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Okay, I apologize for my unserious answer. The truth is that I have noticed a decline in my memory after 40, as well as a decline in my eyesight and an increase in my waistline and footsize. I also notice a memory loss with regard to my native tongue: sometimes English words fail me, and I have to say it in German and ask a German friend for an English translation. While I can always attribute this to a bilingual lifestyle, the truth is that it wasn't a problem five years ago. Memory obviously has something to do with it.

Having said that, it is nothing which has caused me worry. Since it worries you, you should definitely get those tests done.

I have always believed that the best judge of what is going on in your mind and body is YOU, not a doctor. Heaven is full of souls who felt that something was wrong, only to be told by a doctor that they were okay and that further tests would be a waste. I lost a friend last February who was told for more than a year that testing for cancer was unnecessary: she was 28 years old, and had abdominal pain, but the doctors said that colon cancer was out of the question for someone her age. But she *knew* something was wrong. She knew better than her doctors. And a year went by without treatment that might have saved her life.

So, if you are worried, seek medical help. Trust yourself to know whether you feel *normal* or not.

As far as how to convince the doctors to give you the tests, you really have to ask your fellow Swedes. No one outside of Sweden is going to know how to manipulate the Swedish medical system. (By manipulate, I mean getting the tests paid for by your insurance.) But there is probably a way, if you are determined.

That's my 2 cents.

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My memory got worse with age.
Some days are worse than others where I can have a brain fart and not remember someones name I work with. It comes to me later but it's still bothersome.

One thing I've done to remember names, titles, etc, is to quickly and silently go thru the alphabet.
Quite often a letter will stand out and jog my memory.

I would keep an eye on this problem and if it gets worse then see a doctor.
You may simply need to change your diet and add some vitamin suppliments.

Here's a page about memory and aging:
http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/......124.html

Here's another that may be of interest:
http://www.mothernature.com/Library/book......0/81.cfm
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Thanks for all the replies.

Jaz, your first link was very informative. I feel more certain now that it might just be regular age related memory problems after all. But of course I'll keep an eye on the problem and take action if the problem persists or gets worse.
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Have you bumped your head in the past few months? My father had a subdural hematoma, as the swelling increased he started losing words.

I have difficulty speaking when my blood sugar gets low. Try to notice if it happens when you are hungry.
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Jaz-

That's exactly the system I use in recalling names, titles (books, films) etc!
I "sound out" the alphabet in my mind (ah, buh, cah, deh, eh, fuh) then go through various vowel/consonant pairings until something sounds familiar. Usually helps.

Mikael: For what it's worth, the scant reading I've done on this subject indicates that memory is a facility that declines with disuse. If you engaged in directed memory drills, would you notice the same drop off in retention? That is, if you were to, say, memorise a stacked deck and then recite the stack silently to yourself, would you have long-term memory retention of the deck's order?

In short, here in the US we have a saying, "Use it or lose it." Are you exercising your memory to keep it in good shape?
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I am 46 years old, and people come to me when they want an answer on some trivia question. My mind is a mental storehouse of useless information. I too am noticing what you describe, and I use my memory daily as a Physics teacher. It may just be age. My mother who is 70 has the same issue, and she is a person who can cite an hour long conversation verbatim.

If you are worried, get it checked out. I am not too worried yet.
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It doesn't sound like a memory issue to me, given your instant association to the event in question...sounds like some sort of language-based neurological thing. I'd get a second opinion from a specialist, if you haven't done so.
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On 2007-09-23 12:02, Josh the Superfluous wrote:
Have you bumped your head in the past few months? My father had a subdural hematoma, as the swelling increased he started losing words.

I have difficulty speaking when my blood sugar gets low. Try to notice if it happens when you are hungry.


I have not bumped my head, no.

I too have noticed a correlation with blood sugar. Today I got a better memory when I ate lunch. The big difference, however, cam after a short walk. The difference was incredible. Maybe more oxygen to the brain? I'm going to make some experiments concerning blood sugar and excercise from now on.
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On 2007-09-23 12:03, Leland Stone wrote:

Mikael: For what it's worth, the scant reading I've done on this subject indicates that memory is a facility that declines with disuse. If you engaged in directed memory drills, would you notice the same drop off in retention? That is, if you were to, say, memorise a stacked deck and then recite the stack silently to yourself, would you have long-term memory retention of the deck's order?

In short, here in the US we have a saying, "Use it or lose it." Are you exercising your memory to keep it in good shape?


Yes, especially lately I have escercised my memory a lot. What I have noticed is that the same list (for example a stacked deck, although I don't use exactly that), can be very easy one day, and the next it can be very hard.
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For a VEEERRRRRYYYY long time I've been able to do the following. Let's say I'm asked the question, "Who starred in the film Falling Down?". The kind of answer I'm often able to give is:

"Ooh I can't actually remember his name but his first name begins with an M. It's a long-ish name with 6 or 7 letters. His surname can be a first name too. His Dad was a film star as well - I can't remember his name either but he was of Russian descent or something with a name beginning with I and wrote an autobiography called The Ragman's Son."

etc. etc.

Much later in the day I'll suddenly have the name Michael Douglas come to mind. This is no exaggeration.

So I'm used to this particular side of such a problem. I think I've got gradually worse as I've got older but I don't worry about it - I'm just used to having appalling recall. I tend to remember lots of additional information along with the actual information and this clouds my recall ability of what I actually want to retrieve. I tend to remember where I acquired the information, what smells, sounds, and ambience was there. I can't JUST remember words. I have to see pictures and derive from there. It makes spontaneous recall quite hard (if you saw my notes for my exams when I was at school you would have seen a LOT of pictures I'd added to give me better handles on accessing the information).

On the other hand, I don't forget the names of people who are around me relatively regularly. I do, however, take a few extra seconds to recall the names of people I've personally known, but not known as good friends - e.g. ex colleagues, neighbours etc.

A final example of how bad my recall can be. Ask me to get 5 different drinks at a bar and I'll have forgotten them by the time I've arrived (unless I constantly recite them in my head).

How this relates to your experiences I don't know - probably not at all.

Keep an eye on it - just in case.

All the best!
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