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Crimson-Death New user Since 2006 88 Posts |
Aye, turn up the heat again, it's getting cold and stale again.
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On 2007-11-05 07:11, viris wrote: Is Mr. Dusheck well enough again to ship out his DVDs? If so, I need to contact him and get this.
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viris Regular user 106 Posts |
I don't know if he is well or not but I recieved my DVD in 4 days after I mailed my money. I don't know who I was e-mailing back and forth but it seemed like it was his wife. Anyway they were very professional. I still think it is {{WAY}} under priced.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Any word on that back of the hand snap change where you can show your hand right after? Is it taught on the DVD? Also heard there's a change where Lee Asher just picks up the coin, it changes, the coin is then tabled as examinable. Is that taught too?
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Steve Dusheck New user Hazleton, PA 46 Posts |
Jon,
Are you saying it's okay for people to copy my trick as long as they add a new move to the trick? Having a magnet attached to your wrist with a band aid is a very old idea from the 1960s and it is not practical for working magicians. The routine on my DVD works in the real world under all working conditions. I spend a lot of time eliminating moves from my routine and they are cluttering it up with additional moves and additional gimmicks and angle problems that are of no use to working magicians. They are even showing moves described in my instructions for the Slippery Sam Combination Coins. If you already have one of my gimmicks you know that adding teflon tape degrades the gimmick. You also know how much better my gimmick is. When my health improves it will be available again. By the way, the CEO claims he spent a whole day calling me and sent many E-mails that I did not answer. That is not true. It was just lip service as most of you surmised. He may be the CEO but he has no control on resolving the issue that they copied my trick without my permission. He is not really the man in charge so even if he really did send me an E-mail his words would onlys be words. My wife is filling my DVD orders for me. Steve
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jimbowmanjr Veteran user Inside the Bottle 320 Posts |
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On 2007-11-09 10:01, Steve Dusheck wrote: Steve, Thanks for taking the time to stop by with everything you have going on. It is great news to hear that you are going to be offering YOUR gimmick again in the future. I wish you the best and a speedy recovery. Cheers, Jim |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2007-11-09 10:01, Steve Dusheck wrote: OUCH. That's not the sentiment I wished to communicate or even imply. I used that particular item ( the snap coin change ), shown in the demo video, to ask if the product is accurately represented - Rhetorically to ask about the basic integrity of those involved in the project and who stand by it. My opinions about it being unkind, disrespectful and IMHO unethical to go around showing, publishing or selling other people's ideas or works even under the pretense of offering a minor change to handling, gaff, hand position etc. are all over the café and have drawn the ire of many. best wishes to you and yours, Jon
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Chad Barnard Special user Mt. Airy, NC 763 Posts |
Steve thanks for posting. I hoped for the best, but feared the worst.
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Ahh some more truth comes out and more people look like liars. thank you for keeping light on this matter
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Chad Barnard Special user Mt. Airy, NC 763 Posts |
I posted on their board, we'll see if they answer.
What's the next step? They were caught, pulled the effect and then lied about trying to resolve the issue. For me, they're worse off than they began. Steve's assertion that Bayme is CEO in name only is very telling. How do we find out who has the power and makes the decisions for them? |
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Another reason why people continue to get away with it:
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Sleight_of_Hand post: taking into account that I had not posted on that thread in weeks I can only guess that's into response from the product being pulling and some 13 year old not being able to buy it. in response to pod, ill do some digging to see if I can find any public information on the company. |
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Chad Barnard Special user Mt. Airy, NC 763 Posts |
What concerns me, is are the magicians involved just paid contractors or do they have say in what goes on? It would seem at this point in Chris' career that he would have a stake in anything that he was involved with.
The only reason I say this is because Jonathan Bayme said in his post that Chris and he (Grammar?) were trying to reach Dusheck (which has proven not to be the case) and resolve the issue. If Chris is just a hired hand, why would he be involved in those talks? |
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
I have no idea abotu chris but when there were some issues with the pre launch hype, one of the artists told me he was contractual obligated not to spill the beans even to help us sort out a issue. that would tell me that the artists are not in any position of power but merely paid to be part of the thing
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I joined the T11 forum a week or so ago and have posted a few times but had no response of any importance.
I'd say keep a flame lit and someone will have to address it at some point! I've known about the BS claimed by Bayme for a couple weeks but did not have permission from SD to put it out in public. I'm glad Steve popped in! Mick |
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jbayme New user 54 Posts |
Steve,
If you did not receive our mail correspondences, please, please let me know and I will resend our messages with the date of our previous mailing. I have spent hours upon hours on the phone over the past few weeks in attempt to resolve things directly and amicably. At each attempt, I was told through mutual acquaintances that you were unable to speak with us at this time, and that your health is in delicate state. This is understood, so we waited, and I suspended sale of the product in the meantime. If there's another CEO here, I sure don't know about him. Just a few days ago, mutual friends spoke with you on our behalf, and we were told that your health was currently in delicate state and understandably of primary importance above all else. After hearing this, we have been consciously waiting to initiate contact with you again from our side until after your health condition was resolved. Nothing matters more than your health. This is magic-- that is life, and we understand this. As stated, I have suspended all sale of the product on the site and removed all reference to it until we can chat and resolve things 101%. I have posted our position and thoughts on the forums this past week, and I stand by every word spoken. I just spoke with Marc Desouza a few moments ago by phone as well to convey our sentiments and-- above all else-- well wishes towards your health. All we wish to do is to speak with you and express our sincere desire to resolve all things amicably and directly and respectfully and professionally. I understand that your health must take the unrivaled priority. We do wish to resolve things when you are back to 100%, and as I am unsure of which email address we have on file for you is correct, I have just private messaged you my direct contact information for further discussion. Sincerely, // jonathan.bayme ceo / theory11 |
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
I pm'ed the email jon, steve does not come to the Café much sp you might not get a response
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
What are you writing about Joshua?
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
The other jon he said he was not sure if he had the right email so I sent him the right email
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Steve's e mail address is no secret, it's on his web site!
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rutabaga Inner circle Toronto, Canada 1283 Posts |
Sounds like almost everyone on this board has been in touch with Steve except Mr. Bayme. So what's going on?
Seriously T11 people, take this as a freebie from someone VERY involved and experienced in PR... YOU ARE !@#$%^& THIS UP. |
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Crimson-Death New user Since 2006 88 Posts |
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On 2007-11-09 18:26, MickeyPainless wrote: Heck, the email address is even right here, on his Magic Café profile! Man, I love this place, knowledge for all who seek.
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