On 2007-11-25 02:16, Steve Dusheck wrote:
When I gave Schoolcraft permission to make my gimmick I assumed he would only be selling them retail to his customers. I cannot blame him at all for making thousands of them and selling them wholesale to Theory 11. I'm sure the money came in very handy for him and his family. I would probably do the same thing.
But later seeing how the gimmick was used not giving me credit makes it a matter of ethics. I personally think he should have stopped supplying the coins once he learned they were being used as a rip off of the trick I gave him permission to make. I will not comment on his ethics.
It's too difficult to judge a person without knowing all the facts. Perhaps he has major financial problems and really needs the money. That changes everything doesn't it?
When I offered him additional help on making the gimmick he never replied and he never sent me the sample of his coin that he promised. He never sent an e-mail to explain his position on the Theory 11 trick. His silence is quite loud.
I would feel bad if he really knew what was going on from the start but I don't think he did. As I said before, someday I'm sure we will be friends again. I made 100 unique gimmicked coin tricks. I'm sure some machinist will want to make some.
Steve

On 2007-11-25 14:05, Steve Dusheck wrote:
That reminds me of a guy who stated he heard Dusheck was difficult to do business with and heard it from several sources. The topic being discussed was my refusal to give Bueno the rights to make my gimmick to go with his variation of my trick. The comment that Dusheck was difficult to do business with had nothing to do with business or the topic being discussed, and was only meant to deceive my supporters.
I received an e-mail from a magician stating he bought DD and since "I claimed" to have invented the gimmick and since he only lived a few hours away he wanted to come to visit me and see me perform my routine. He was also bringing a few of his magician friends. He never once mentioned paying me for my time as was also falsely stated. I found the e-mail offensive.
I explained that I am always very busy inventing new tricks, making tricks or filling magic orders. If he wanted personal intstructions it would cost him $350.00 or he could buy my DVD for $10.00. He found that offensive and published my personal reply on the Café.
I was charging what I normally charge for a private party and much less than I charge for my magic lecture. I would have to stop making magic and filling orders so someone had to pay for my time.
Other magicians also found this magician's comment stating "since I claim" to be offending and also thought the price I quoted was very fair.
It was after I received support for my response on the Café did that magician say he would have probably spent a lot of money with me. It would not be as much as the orders I already needed to make.
So several people did not say I was difficult to do business with. One person stated he heard I was and said he heard it from several sources.
By the way, talks are going very well between Marc and Jonathan. It is very good business to have an unbiased third person negotiate a business deal. Most people in business know that.
Steve

On 2007-11-25 19:29, MickeyPainless wrote:
Schoolcraft WAS granted permission to make the gaff and Bueno was DENIED!
Some of the post might be read as cynicism!
***THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION and WILL NOT BE DEBATED WITH YOU HART***

On 2007-11-25 19:56, RCP wrote:
No need to answer tonight Hart, check with Bueno and see what he wants you to say next. ;-)

On 2007-11-25 19:39, RCP wrote:
Whats the basis of your anger Hart? Facts hard to swallow or are you a paid stooge?

On 2007-11-25 20:25, Hart Keene wrote:

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On 2007-11-25 19:56, RCP wrote:
No need to answer tonight Hart, check with Bueno and see what he wants you to say next. ;-)

I love how the one guy who simply has a different opinion gets all the low blows and spends most of his time on the thread defending himself against silly little posts such as this.

On 2007-11-25 20:19, Hart Keene wrote:
Like I said the only person who has wronged Steve is Bueno.

On 2007-11-25 20:50, djkuttdecks wrote:

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On 2007-11-25 20:25, Hart Keene wrote:

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On 2007-11-25 19:56, RCP wrote:
No need to answer tonight Hart, check with Bueno and see what he wants you to say next. ;-)

I love how the one guy who simply has a different opinion gets all the low blows and spends most of his time on the thread defending himself against silly little posts such as this.

"The love you take is equal to the love you make"
-DJ

But, I still don't buy this ignorance claim since they did, in fact, put in a minor credit for Steve on the DVD.

This product reeks of something that was pushed through in the hopes that no one would notice. But, when people did notice and started to take a stand then we hear the "We're so sorry" and "We had no idea" and "it was all BJ's fault".

On 2007-11-25 20:54, dancingm0nk3y wrote:

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But, I still don't buy this ignorance claim since they did, in fact, put in a minor credit for Steve on the DVD.

This product reeks of something that was pushed through in the hopes that no one would notice. But, when people did notice and started to take a stand then we hear the "We're so sorry" and "We had no idea" and "it was all BJ's fault".

This is only a theory (speculation), so do not take it for fact (Hart). If they did release the product with the hopes "maybe no one will notice" it would explain the cheap cost to some extent. Think about it... here is a great effect to launch the site, sell it cheap to move a bunch of units and get a name for supplying a great trick for fair price, and if you get caught you just pull it and apologies. Not saying that's what happened but it would get your name in the hands of many young impressionable minds (which is their biggest market).
-DJ