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enginemagic Special user Bluffton Indiana 597 Posts |
I have noticed that some of the people I talk to, especially youths, are interested in trying some magic with coins after I have shown them some tricks, and without teaching them how to do the popular holding of the coins. When they experiment holds on their own, they do use some of the popular handling of the coins. The 3 holds I have seen out of many were finger palm, back clip, and thumb clip. Makes you wonder how the greats have developed the moves. I'm convinced that all experimental magicians have used the same moves. The people that published the moves first are given the credit for the moves. This is a interesting observation to see. Have any of you seen other non-magicians experiment with moves on their own?
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smithpaul60 Veteran user South Carolina 301 Posts |
Some of our palms, I have termed the "natural palms." These are the palms that occur naturally in normal, every day handling. (Finger palm is the most common.) The other palms are the ones that require a bit of thinking.
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
I dunno. Even though I do it without thinking now, before I did a lot of coin magic I never once finger palmed a coin while holding it not knowingly.
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smithpaul60 Veteran user South Carolina 301 Posts |
I'm sure you did. Whenever you held a coin in the hand and tried to pick up something else with the same hand, try it. Of course, it isn't as refined as we use it now. They do it without thinking (that is why you don't remember it). I am a restaurant manager (Chick-Fil-A) and deal with coins all day long. It's done quite often in my experience.
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
No, sorry, naturally I would hold the coins in my hand with all fingers closed except the forefinger and thumb, not held but my fingers (mostly ring finger and pinky).
I worked in retail for 7 years handling money everyday, never happened. Maybe those workers are practicing magic on the Sunday they get off. |
smithpaul60 Veteran user South Carolina 301 Posts |
Okay, just an observation on my part.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
I've had kids show me their "magic trick" and they'll vanish a coin for me. The methods favored by these performers are lapping and deep back clip. Oh, and lots of misdirection. Every now and then, you see an attempt at a false placement. The vast majority of the time, however, the coin starts out where it's supposed to be.
Word to those who are listening carefully--that appears to be the underlying assumption. The coin is there where you say it is when you start. The clever will therefore know when to announce the "start" of the trick.
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
I have seen a lot of back clipping. If I vanish someone's coin, they sometimes say, "I can vanish a coin"...then put a coin in their hand and sloppily get it into back clip. Funny watching them get it there, as they then think it can't be got into that position without being seen. But, yes, they know a lot of the time all we are really doing is hiding a coin, it just can't be seen. That is why handwashing is the worst thing coin Magicians can use.
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enginemagic Special user Bluffton Indiana 597 Posts |
Interesting feed back guys.Theres one good move I learned is back palm wich is good after a french drop vanish,and you can pull it out from almost anny where,and lots of fun.The back palm is a key move in the pulse trick on a coin magic DVD.observing the kids in experimenting with things like skilled moves is great to see. I see some kids take the coin out of back clip with their other hand kinda obvious.I do give them credit for trying to make the vanish look good.One kid tonight at a school event I was wotking at, actually used a misdirection move then pocketed the coin with the other hand.The move had is 2 other buddys convinced the coin vanished. This kid was a natural.I can see that he has potential to become a professional magician.
all fun ,and entertaining.
theres a lot to learn out there,many interesting subjects,and hobbies to enjoy
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paymerich Special user Norwalk, CT 546 Posts |
Ammar's suggestion of handwashing as a "warmup" exercise works well
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feher Inner circle Michigan 1421 Posts |
When I first started out it was a really bad classic palm thunb palm, mostly thumb palm. If there was a routine with a classic palm I would use a thumb palm until I got a better Classic palm.
What did I just say....... Tim
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enginemagic Special user Bluffton Indiana 597 Posts |
I learned you have to have clean hands to perform for holding and presintation.After working on our really greasy Vermeeer trencher.Doing house cleaning with a bleach based cleaner whitens up my hands!!
Those of you that chemicals like that bother your skin you`ll have to find a more mild way of cleaning up. After eating a icecream cone sticky hands don't do well on holds so I find a way to rince them off quickly. Feher Lots of practice will reward you in performing good. Many use holds they feel comfortable with,and works well with their dexterity. you`ll see this note in many magic videos,and books
theres a lot to learn out there,many interesting subjects,and hobbies to enjoy
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
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On 2007-10-01 19:40, Christopher Williams wrote: I agree for the most part but sometime I think its good at the beginning or middle of a routine that has lots of vanishes |
enginemagic Special user Bluffton Indiana 597 Posts |
The youths are the easiest to entertain they really get into it wanting you to make the coin apear form many places.the best fun was with the stuffed horse on rhe Covered wagon ride they all were amazed & tryed to present a coin form the hores them selvs. all involved were well entertained & enjoyed the show
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