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amazin
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I am wondering what are the 10 theories of magic
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I don't know exactly how many theories of magic there are, but if you read "Strong Magic" by Darwin Ortiz, you'll get a very good grounding in magic theory.

Click HERE for more info. SETH
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"The better you are, the closer they watch" -- Darwin Ortiz, STRONG MAGIC
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There are quite a few theories in magic another recommendation is Book of Wonders by Tommy Wonder he is very good with magic theory!
Magic is not to fool...but allows you to believe!

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I would like to include the Fritzkee Trilogy too.
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Here's a link to an interesting article comparing the principles of magic to software design and citing magical resources fyi:

http://www.asktog.com/papers/magic.html

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I'd second the Fitzkee Trilogy.

Mark.
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I am wondering where you came up with that number.
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Thanks for the info folks
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Glad to help. I'd suggest, if you're new to magic, getting Mark Wilson's "Complete Course In Magic" book. You can find it at most national chain bookstores for under $20. If not available, they can order it for you.

It will give you a taste of the many different styles and types of magic and discusses each. It's a fantastic, BIG, book and one you'll enjoy having in your own library.

Mark.
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Hi,

I like this theory. KÝSS. Keep Ýt Simple As Stupid.


magicially yours,


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I think he might be refering to the 10 theories of magic that one of the magicians Mention brifly in explaning why theory11.com (the new site)chose the name that they did. He doesn’t explain them but simply says that the guys at theory 11 believe in one extra theory, hence theory 11, to see this look the site preview movie on the home page.

http://www.theory11.com

Magically

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amazin
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Yes this is where I came up with the number. I thought I should know 1-10 before worring about theory 11
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I also would love to know how the number '10' was arrived at even with the explanation of the '11' site mentioned above?

Theory in what sense? I have written dozens and dozens of essays on magic theory touching on it from many differing directions. I am almost at a loss to imagine what anyone could mean by focusing it down to a specific number. For instance you could look at various theories having to do with 'marketing' yourself as a magician or what is basic to 'misdirection', etc.? What keeps me coming back to magic is the sheer complexity of the craft and it's attendant components.

That said, looking at it from a strictly semantic point what would be a theory of 'magic' as it pertains to the craft of conjuring? Let's look at one of the definitions of 'theory' that seems to pertain to the present discussion, or seems to most closely pertain as I understand the original question:

5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.

The above seems to be what is being asked. I particularly like "...a particular conception or view of something to be done..."

And, so what we come to is...What is 'magic' as it pertains to the art or craft of conjuring? What is 'it' that we do when we perform? What in 'theory' are we doing?

Try this:

#1- We are creating the ILLUSION of being able to bend the Laws of Reality. This Illusion is created through the performers technical skill, belief in the illusion (which creates your body language conviction), and thirdly, the amount of credulity (or ready belief) of the audience.

That's what I came up with 30 years ago for the magic classes I was teaching. It was my attempt to give some realization to the 'what' we were attempting to teach and learn, etc.

What I would love is to see 9 more theories that do not in anyway partake of the above #1. In other words, if there are 10 theories of magic and the above is one of them then what are the other 9? If they lack any true distinctive then they will generally amount to no more than a restatement of #1. That's not to say that there could not be a MUCH better statement of the basis of what we do than I came up with! But, I've played with it for 30 years and I just could not come up with anything else that seemed to encapsulate and distill a description of the type of magic we practice as those who conjure.

Again, to get another '9' seems to me to demand that the basic heading of 'magic' then be broken down into sub sets and those sub sets described in theory. For instance: Misdirection, sleight-of-hand, Illusions (large), and so on.

Just because I have written all the above I fully expect for someone to pop up with a KILLER list of what the other 9 are!!! LOL Sincerest regards,
Brad Burt
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#1- We are creating the ILLUSION of being able to bend the Laws of Reality. This Illusion is created through the performers technical skill, belief in the illusion (which creates your body language conviction), and thirdly, the amount of credulity (or ready belief) of the audience.

That's what I came up with 30 years ago for the magic classes I was teaching. It was my attempt to give some realization to the 'what' we were attempting to teach and learn, etc.

What I would love is to see 9 more theories that do not in anyway partake of the above #1.

Ok the other 9 are...

Wait that one is related to the above...

Hmmm, so is that one...

Oh, heres one. Wait, it relates....

Ok, I give up.
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Entertainment is about creating a distraction from every day life for your audience, and perhaps enlightening them. To entertain well is to truly hold their attention for the time you are alloted.

You are an entertainer first, and by a large margin. That is everything any magician needs to know.
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On 2007-10-05 12:56, Brad Burt wrote:
I also would love to know how the number '10' was arrived at even with the explanation of the '11' site mentioned above?

Theory in what sense? I have written dozens and dozens of essays on magic theory touching on it from many differing directions. I am almost at a loss to imagine what anyone could mean by focusing it down to a specific number. For instance you could look at various theories having to do with 'marketing' yourself as a magician or what is basic to 'misdirection', etc.? What keeps me coming back to magic is the sheer complexity of the craft and it's attendant components.

That said, looking at it from a strictly semantic point what would be a theory of 'magic' as it pertains to the craft of conjuring? Let's look at one of the definitions of 'theory' that seems to pertain to the present discussion, or seems to most closely pertain as I understand the original question:

5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.

The above seems to be what is being asked. I particularly like "...a particular conception or view of something to be done..."

And, so what we come to is...What is 'magic' as it pertains to the art or craft of conjuring? What is 'it' that we do when we perform? What in 'theory' are we doing?

Try this:

#1- We are creating the ILLUSION of being able to bend the Laws of Reality. This Illusion is created through the performers technical skill, belief in the illusion (which creates your body language conviction), and thirdly, the amount of credulity (or ready belief) of the audience.

That's what I came up with 30 years ago for the magic classes I was teaching. It was my attempt to give some realization to the 'what' we were attempting to teach and learn, etc.

What I would love is to see 9 more theories that do not in anyway partake of the above #1. In other words, if there are 10 theories of magic and the above is one of them then what are the other 9? If they lack any true distinctive then they will generally amount to no more than a restatement of #1. That's not to say that there could not be a MUCH better statement of the basis of what we do than I came up with! But, I've played with it for 30 years and I just could not come up with anything else that seemed to encapsulate and distill a description of the type of magic we practice as those who conjure.

Again, to get another '9' seems to me to demand that the basic heading of 'magic' then be broken down into sub sets and those sub sets described in theory. For instance: Misdirection, sleight-of-hand, Illusions (large), and so on.

Just because I have written all the above I fully expect for someone to pop up with a KILLER list of what the other 9 are!!! LOL Sincerest regards,

Well said.

Let me add to it - we are magicians, not university professors that need to publish theories in order to survive.
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I would add Maskelyne's "Our Magic" to looking at theory, as well as Fitzkee and Sharpe.
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There is a theory of magic? Wow!

I'm new too. I started 46 years ago.

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On 2007-10-05 08:45, amazin wrote:
Yes this is where I came up with the number. I thought I should know 1-10 before worring about theory 11

Well, it was a cute little marketing plan for 11 guys to have a clever name and make another E like website. There are not 10 theory's of magic that I know of, just 11 guys and a web store... but now I know there's a bunch of starry eyed kids who think there are 10 other theory's now.
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