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dillib Elite user 476 Posts |
Anyone tried out this effect yet? What are the advantages or disadvantages when compared to Ring Flight?
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Gary Veteran user Market Harborough, UK 367 Posts |
Well, for starters, the ring appears threaded to the actual bow of your shoe lace as opposed to a key ring!
It's a very good effect and the climax is truly unexpected. While there are no mechanics to worry about, it requires skillful misdirection and I believe that you need to adapt it to your own style of working/performance as opposed to following the published routine. Certainly worth considering even if you have or use a ring flight. There
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Sean Fields V.I.P. Winnipeg 894 Posts |
I have to say, Richard Sanders has come up with far better effects than the aforementioned trick.
On Foot is kinda neat, but in comparison to even a standard ring flite, falls short. The method is simple, which I do like, but with any ring flite, I feel the overall strength of the effect is directly related to the vanish of the ring, which, in On Foot, isn't great. The main problem I have with On Foot, is actually the reappearance of the ring. The spectator is giving you something important, a symbol of love, memories, etc. They are trusting you. And what do you do? You make it VANISH! That is enough to subconsciously make the spectator uneasy. And when you reproduce this symbol of everlasting love, lost loved ones, whatever, you reproduce it on your SHOELACE?! How inconsiderate and callous is that? Just my opinion. Later, Sean |
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dillib Elite user 476 Posts |
Any more thoughts? Or recommendations for a reel-less ring flight?
Chee Shan
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Brandon Harper Loyal user Austin, Texas 207 Posts |
Sean -- I have to disagree with you. Don't you make the person's ring disappear in any "ring flight" effect? What about a Nest of Boxes? I really don't think that the disappearance takes anything away from the effect.
Cheezy -- As far as practicality is concerned, I think On Foot is a better working effect if you are doing walk around. Most Ring Flights are not always practical to be done surrounded. I have had absolutely no problems performing this surrounded. I agree with Gary that you should definitely alter the performance to fit your style. The misdirection is key, and the performance that they give will not work for everyone. Get the effect. I think you might like it. PM me if you have any additional questions. |
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1908 Special user 874 Posts |
Personally, I don't like it. I purchased it a long time ago and I think I used it 2 times. My opinion is that it is not practical even if the method is very simple, and I can say, clever. Prefer something else.
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Sean Fields V.I.P. Winnipeg 894 Posts |
Hey Brandon,
I am glad you have had success with On Foot. Unfortunately, I still feel my points are valid. The vanish used is weak, but that is easily adapted. As I said before, my biggest problem with On Foot is the ring reappearing on your shoe. It still just seems inconsiderate to make this ring (to which most people have a deep rooted emotional attachment) appear somewhere as 'lowly' as your foot, no pun intended. I do a ring flite, BUT, it is indeed one of my own creations. It overcomes all the shortcomings I found with other methods. -The ring vanishes VERY cleanly and visually. -No reels are used. -The ring appears one of two places; LINKED onto either my necklace, or the spectator's necklace. -All is clean, ungimmicked, and examinable at any point of the routine. This is not a sales pitch (it WILL be available soon, though...), but just an illustration of how I see the ring flite. Whatever method works for you, by all means, do it, but in my opinion, On Foot is not one of Richard Sanders' finer creations. Later, Sean Fields |
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Brandon Harper Loyal user Austin, Texas 207 Posts |
Sean,
I look forward to seeing your effect. Sounds great. I have to agree with you about the whole shoelace issue. If there were a better place to make it appear with this gimmick, rest assured, I would use it instead. I just happen to like the "quiet" workings of this gimmick. I am curious to see how you have eliminated some of the inherent problems with a normal ring flight. Please let us know when it is released!! Good Luck! Brandon |
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4748 Posts |
I respect Sean's opinion but I'm going to have to disagree as well. I think this effect is way better than any ring flight I have seen. The main reason is the impossibility of the location of the ring. A key case is nice, but it's within reaching distance and it really doesn't seem that hard to get the ring on one of the hooks.
People know that tying a shoe takes time. They also know that you would have to bend down and touch your shoe for a considerable amount of time to tie a ring onto the lace. While you do touch the shoe, it is only for a brief instant and the audience should not even see you touch it. The impossibility factor is much higher in my opinion and I have performed numerous Ring Flights and Ring to other location effects. I do agree with Sean that the vanish is weak. I do not use the vanish described. Any vanish will work. The key is that it is a delayed vanish, meaning that the ring is loaded way before the spectators think the ring is gone. I use the ring vanish used by Copperfield in his (Gertner's) ring on hourglass effect. And best of all, there is no danger of damaging or scratching the ring. That is a big seller to me. |
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
I purchased On Foot a long time ago, and have used it in many shows. I have had no problems with it, and I like the fact that th ring appears on your TIED shoelace. This is of course, an impossibility. You have to untie the shoelace to remove it. And I have never had anyone feel insulted that their ring appeared in a "lowly" place.
It takes some practice though, because the effect depends on a "feint" to accomplish the reapearance. You need to employ some acting skills to pull it off effectively. At times, I wished their was a version of this available for SNEAKERS! That way I could do it everyday, not just when I am on stage dressed up nice. In fact, if such a version did become available, I would definitely purchase and use this on a daily basis as an impromptu, on the spot effect.
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rmoraleta Special user Philippines 767 Posts |
I sold one of these a long time ago. I was not that impressed.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
To each his own.
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1579 Posts |
This was the first effect from Richard Sanders that I was dissapointed with after purchasing. The plot was interesting and the prop reasonably o.k., but I didn't care for how you would have to get from point A to B (ring vanishing and re-appearing on string). The whole procedure seemed too cheeky for my taste.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Yeah. Like I said, good acting is needed, and it is not very direct, but that's the way it is constructed, and if you can pull it off( I have a number of times) it's pretty good. Like I said, it depends entirely on the ruse.
hey, Jared, I was wondering if you had a better modus operandi in mind? we could meet over in secret sessions.
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
A little advice on this effect. With the method you'll want to have a little time misdirection between the load and the reveal. This is tricky business because it's not a good idea to have there ring "gone" for to long. Make the load as casual of an action as possible and very quick. It should just be an "Oops!" moment.
One more thing. Mark Masons "shoe't" is a great trick to do with this. Ron Jaxon |
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Jesse Feinberg Inner circle www.jessesmagic.com 1074 Posts |
I liked flight 204... that's yours Sean right? To actually get the ring to the desired spot I think was the main focus. Plus, it gives you lots of other options... Maybe if you somehow combined these effects. Also, isn't that loophole gimmick dvd worth checkin out? You could make the ring appear on your jeans! that's not disrespectful, especially if your wearing 500 armani jeans...
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magic-markus Loyal user 212 Posts |
Hi Sean. I wonder if you already sell your version ???
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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On 2004-12-31 13:01, Jaxon wrote: Everything you said is absolutely true, and is spot on, pscholologically. There is a right mental attitude you have to employ when you perform it, so that you will communicate the desired impression to your audience and thus, fool them. Like you said, your whole attitude is 'Oops" You don't make a big deal out of the "move" You just do it quickly, without hesitation, and as smoothly as practice will allow you. You MUST employ your actimg abilities and they must be convinced that the ****** ****** actions are genuine. It is almost like a little "hiccup" in the routine that you do, and then move on as if it never happened. And as you said the timing is critical. Time misdirection will help to disconnect the secret action from the effect in the audiencess mind. Very well spoken, Ron.
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James Bateman New user 71 Posts |
Bought On Foot, liked it because it one of the only ring flight effects that doesn't introuduce a foreign prop (key case, ring box, baby shoe, etc) during the reappearance of the ring. It's organic in that sense, and as far as Sean Fields remarking earlier that this is inappropriate because it's their ring on your shoe - I disagree. We're magicians remember? We do crazy things like making $100 bills appear in lemons. signed cards apearing in shoes, and the list goes on and on. The more crazy and unexpected the location, the better the surprise and reaction. I will say that Flight 204 is horrible - sorry, I know some of you like it. First, I could never get away with this in fast company, and besides, who wears necklaces besides surfers (hemp) and mafia dons (gold chains)? Paging mr. T!!!!!
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
If you need any help with it, just PM.
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