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Mr. Ree Elite user Sedona AZ 414 Posts |
I love the B’wave effect except for the limiting
factor in reference to the Queens. (Queen version)' The "magician's force" seems too obvious to me. Is there a version of B'wave that allows any Queen to be selected? What is the name, and who is it by? Thanks,
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
If you are willing to give up the red back, you could put the two black queens there. You would use a DL to show a regular blue back on the card, and after display would have to put it back either into a matching deck or your pocket.
But the whole effect is one big bluff anyway, which is what I like about it. You cause all the magic to happen within their heads and they never see it as any kind of force, because it's all imaginary until the end.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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Hearttau Elite user New Jersey: Exit 15 E 423 Posts |
I recommend you check out Entourage by Gordon Bean. The spectator has a free choice of all four queens. Very similar to B-wave, using jokers instead of blanks. If you search the Café you'll find several good threads on it.
http://www.gordonbean.com/index.htm
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J.Robert Loyal user Gettysburg, PA 240 Posts |
I agree, you want to check out Entourage. I use Entourage a lot, very rarely use B'wave anymore.
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sean_mh Loyal user 229 Posts |
Twisted Sisters is also another good option.
Sean |
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
Twisted Sisters is fantastic! On top of that, they can choose ANY Queen.
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
Hail for twisted sisters!
a worker and a routine that I'm doing for like 5 years now |
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
There are few tricks that can be called "pure magic" and B'Wave is one of them. I appreciate you guys liking Entourage andf Twisted Sisters because they are easy to do, but they depend on gaffed cards. B'Wave makes use of a gaffed card, but really doesn't need to. It is "pure magic" that happens all inside the spectator's mind. Led down the garden path by the magician, the spectator manages to amaze himself and declares it to be magic.
An experiment: from a red backed deck take the queen of hearts. From a blue backed deck take the kings of diamonds, spades and clubs. You don't really need the gaffed card to make the magic happen, although you might have to work at bluffing a little more. That's what I mean by "pure magic." You make it all take place in the spectator's mind. So, Mr. Ree, although the magician's force may seem obvious to you, the story you tell with B'Wave (which is basically the same story used in the other effects) clouds the spectator's minds and makes them see it as magic. Go ahead and try the others, but learn to appreciate the pure magic that begins with B'Wave.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
The versions listed in this thread are all excellent. However I think Phil Goldstein's original 'B'Wave' is the best. (if it is performed best). If it is performed not in a best way, it can be worst among all versions listed here.
I consider 'B'Wave' more as a psychic effect than as a physical trick. Hideo Kato |
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Mr. Ree Elite user Sedona AZ 414 Posts |
Spellbinder: Thanks for the additional thoughts, especially the
“big bluff” and “imaginary” part of all of this. It does help me put this effect in the correct “frame of mine” and is already helping to change my patter and presentation. (I guess I don’t hate the “force” so much after all. Just needed to look at it in a different light. Hearttau, J.Robert, Entourage is one of my favorites. I’ve been looking for a “b’wave, or Entourage type effect to do with bigger cards. (I have a “Stage” version of B’wave that uses gaffed cards). I haven’t started working with the larger cards because until now I didn’t care for the force and was trying to work out something better. Sean, Mark, MichielTummers: Have twisted sisters on the way to give it a try. (Thanks). Spellbinder: Again thanks for the time to put your thoughts down. I like your experiment and I will give this a try. (This is the best part of magic). I have started doing experiments in the effects I like. Just yesterday I have starting doing a newspaper tear and restore that uses a combination of part Anderson, part Baxt, part Potassy, and part me. Although it is not quite as intellectual as the experiment you mention. Hideo Kato. Yes, thank you. I am currently working on a new 20 minute routine and it has only recently become clear that B’wave is more psychic. It did not become clear until I went from practicing the “mechanics” and started working on the presentation and patter. Now for the next step: I have been working with B’wave, and Entourage to try to figure out handling for doing one of these or a effect like it with Jumbo cards, or larger stage/parlor cards. As mentioned earlier I have a “stage” version of B’wave that did not seem that impressive. But many of your comments let me clearly understand that I need to work on this a bit and change the way I look at B’wave. Thanks for the help everyone.
An idea can turn to dust or magic, depending on the talent that rubs against it.
---- William Bernbach (1911 - 1982) ---- (After 25 years of PCs, everything switched to Macs, June 2008) |
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
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On 2007-10-17 03:30, Mr. Ree wrote: When I posted above, I did not imagine you were considering performing for a large audience. I think 'B'Wave is most effective one on one, or at least for small audience. If you are considering a large audience, I am not confident in recommending the original B'Wave. Hideo Kato |
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Jay Austin Regular user 184 Posts |
There is a giant version that is good for stage/larger audiences.
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
It may survive the "leap to the stage." It is more effective one on one because the person to whom you are performing KNOWS, without a doubt, that he or she is just imagining these things. To broaden the audience to a few more people, ask each person to do a part of the imagineering (sorry- that little company "plug" just slipped in so nicely!). Whether you can then ask a broader range of people who are not participating but merely watching, depends on your skills as an "imagineer" or story-teller. You will have to draw them in. The trick works the same, but the presentation has to be more inclusive of everyone... lots of eye-contact... lots of involvement wherever possible. I think it can be done, but you will have to hone your skills to make a success of it.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
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On 2007-10-16 04:00, Mr. Ree wrote: Then you are not doing it right. |
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Jay Austin Regular user 184 Posts |
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On 2007-10-20 14:11, dpe666 wrote: You are looking through the eyes of a magician. One of the hardest things to do is to learn hou to look at a trick/move through the eyes of a lay audience once you learn the secret. It is one thing to fool an audience compared to magicians. What works on one group may not on the other. We need to learn to fool our audience. It might seem so simple to you but if it works, then that is the best method. I bet the first time you ever saw the "magicians force" it fooled you. |
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
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On 2007-10-21 11:51, Jay Austin wrote: Equivoque is one of the most butchered techniques in all of magic/mentalism. I think that many magicians feel so "guilty" about it that they rush through it and really do not put much thought into the scripting. I think that when many magicians do it, it goes something like this, "Ok...out of these 6 objects, pick any 3...ok...we will get rid of those 3...Ok now pick 2...ok...we will keep those 2 and get rid of this one...ok now touch 1 of the 2...ok...now give it to me and we will get rid of it." Terrible and, yes, in that instance it is very transparent. That is how I have seen it done time and time again. When using Equivoque, scripting is the most important part of the routine! You must know EXACTLY what you are going to say depending on the choice of the spectator without any hesitation as if you knew ahead of time what they were going to choose. Equivoque is not an easy technique to master. In fact, I think that is its biggest problem. It is perceived as being simple. I think that this is because most beginners magic books and tricks "explain" Equivoque in about 3 sentences. The spectator must BELIEVE that he was in control of the entire situation. He must BELIEVE that his choices mattered and that the outcome of the effect could ONLY have come to pass successfully because of the choices he made. |
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Mr. Ree Elite user Sedona AZ 414 Posts |
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Quote: On 2007-10-16 04:00, Mr. Ree wrote: The "magician's force" seems too obvious to me. Quote: On 2007-10-20 14:11, dpe666 wrote: Then you are not doing it right. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi dpe666, I was actually referring to a demo video that I have watched of B’wave. I knew before I ever saw the method of doing b’wave that this guy did not have any red queens. We could argue that the video I saw was done by an “average”, not great magician. Your later post” “Equivoque is one of the most butchered techniques in all of magic/mentalism.” is a very good description and I now understand your point. ===============================================================
An idea can turn to dust or magic, depending on the talent that rubs against it.
---- William Bernbach (1911 - 1982) ---- (After 25 years of PCs, everything switched to Macs, June 2008) |
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abercrombe New user 49 Posts |
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was Vernon that came out with an effect called the parade of Kings(it also comes in Oueens, Jacks and so on). You ask spectator to chose of there own free will any one of the Kings. In an envelope are the four Kings but one of them is upside down. No matter which one they name you take the cards from the envelope, spread them and show that card face-up. Tell them you knew they would pick that one because it has a different color back. Pull it out and turn it over and show a different color back. Slide it back into the packet face-up and you are ready to go again. Look for it and if you can't find it, you can make it using the Twisted Sister cards.
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MagicMan11 New user 71 Posts |
Twisted sisters is great. I actually just bought this a week ago and enjoying it. But sometimes I find it to be very confusing. Not just for myself but for the spectators.
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BIGmagiclV Veteran user 375 Posts |
I keep B'wave in my closeup wallet and carry it everywhere! I have never had a problem with the magicians force and 9 times out of 10, a woman will not only pick red but the queen of hearts so I try to get a woman to do the trick with me.
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