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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Here is an informative sentence.
I WAS A SHILL for an online poker room my friend ran. How can you stop it? NO computer software can stop it. He had one poker site, one. Not very popular. BUT it made money. Like I said the best hand ploy has worked for years in a casino, how exactly can you stop it online? Quick answer, you can't.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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fless New user 68 Posts |
Knowing the hole cards obviously kills the game. But collusion? It seems a bit obvious. Sure, you know 2-4 cards that are out, but it seems kind of marginal. Any squeeze play is fairly easy to detect I think, for an observant player at least. What is the best hand ploy? Sorry my ignorance...
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
Best Hand plays.
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fless New user 68 Posts |
Pre-flop that is? Got it; thx. Does anyone know the expectation from that one? You pay double blind fee, and see twice as many hands, but what go you gain? If you play the first hand, you know the action from one of the hands to act after you, but ain't it still somewhat marginal?
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h2o Veteran user 305 Posts |
You can't be sure to kill a game by colluding, you still can loose, but for good players it's a valuable information to know that some cards are already out of the deck. You know if you have better odds or not when drawing or outplaying a straight, a flush or trips for example.
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fless New user 68 Posts |
H2O; I definitely agree. However, knowing 2 more cards that are out is somewhat marginal. The question is: will two good players earn more from this information than by playing more tables simultaneously? My guess is that the time spent communicating hole cards and deciding on which hand to play, is better spent (from a monetary perspective) playing more tables. What do you guys think?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I can't see any advantage in playing at more tables at all. Where is the advange, the edge, in that? If you have have no advantage at any one of tables there is no advantage no matter how many you play at. You might as well say, you have got more chance if you play 100 slot machines than 1.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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fless New user 68 Posts |
Tommy; maybe I miss your point? Assuming you are a good poker player with good table selection you will have an edge. Two tables means double expectation per hour etc. The question is; does it pay to collude, since collution demands your attention, thus you can play fewer tables, thus less expectation?
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
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On 2007-10-26 05:34, fless wrote: It is in no way marginal. There is a great advantage to playing two hands to your opponent's one. Multitabling has nothing to do with advantage playing and while it may affect your BB/H, it will not improve your BB/100. Whether you are skilled enough to translate collusion to a higher BB/H than multitabling is simply a personal assessment. If you do not see the advantage in collusion then it is likely that multitabling will be more profitable for you. |
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fless New user 68 Posts |
Please explain the advantage, I don't realize why is is great? Ok, I (or my opponent) might have 8 outs to a flush instead of 9, an overcard out might be blocked etc. Is that really a big advantage? Staying in with thin draws is not my kind of poker anyway...
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
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On 2007-10-26 06:52, fless wrote: All right, I'll try to make it simple for you. You have $100. There's a game going with other players. I offer you two choices. You can sit down with a $100 chip stack, get one hand per round, and play normally. Or you can sit down with 2 stacks of $50 at the table, get two hands per round, and play them however you want. Add to that the possibility of having those two stacks in different positions at the table. If you think some you should be able to figure out which is more advantageous easily. If not you can always buy books on poker protection and have someone else explain it to you. |
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Magic Fred New user 27 Posts |
Excellent points. Anybody who plays poker online and isn't in on a collusion ring is an idiot. If you are not cheating online, chances are you are being cheated. Why play against odds like that? Even if you are not being cheated every single time, the fact that you will sometimes run into collusion means your expected return is reduced. Don't play online!
These companies say they can have programs that can analyze your betting to find out if you are colluding. Do you believe them? Anyway, poker is more fun face to face. |
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2007-10-31 04:28, Magic Fred wrote: I agree 100% ! While Steve Forte did not say the above outright..it was certainly implied.
Long Island,
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
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On 2007-10-26 06:52, fless wrote: There's quite a few, here's a couple more. Playing hands on opposite sides of the table puts you in favorable position relative to the button twice as often per round. You could do the finest job imaginable of whipsawing a guy (or guys). Those are two of the weaker things you could use to your advantage playing two hands, just playing best hand and doing nothing else will get the money in the long run. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I have not played on line. Do you pay for the seat and if you played on two tables at the same time would you pay double and so on?
The cost of playing can kill an advantage. In a casino here say it cost $10 an hour per seat. So two allies would have to win $20 an hour to start with. Then you have got other expenses and any advantage must cover the cost of playing.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Tommy, they rake every single pot.
The seats are "free" otherwise. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Really! I thought gone were the days when guys stood for the pot rake. Years ago we ran cash games and made great money doing that..a shilling in the £ = 5%.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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fless New user 68 Posts |
Thanks, guys. Guess I'm an idiot then. Winning still, but never mind...
Collusion rings sound interesting though; where can I find one? Or do I need to arrange one myself? |
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
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On 2007-11-06 07:47, fless wrote: You can get it at toys r us..
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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