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Jonathan Townsend
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On 2007-10-24 14:56, Whit Haydn wrote:...There is very little about performing magic that is "natural."


Hmmm, not so sure. You pick up a lost crying child and reassure them things will be okay as you walk them away from the burning building. Then you hand them over to emergency crew telling the child that these people will ...

Affecting the inner worlds of people by act of will rather than by committed substantive resources seems pretty close to what we call magic. How one paints the lies and deceit with colors of context and presumed intention seems outside the moment when magic is done and worthy of its own discussion IMHO
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When one does a magic effect one is in different world to the audience, as they see magic and the magician does not. They are in fantasy land and he, the magician, is in the real world. Thus what magic is, is psychotic.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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I think magic is so subjective as to be undefinable.
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On 2010-06-15 15:04, bottlemaster wrote:
I think magic is so subjective as to be undefinable.


Then I don't think you should be doing magic, if you don't know what you are doing.

If it is so subjective, then at least you should know what you are trying to accomplish when you "do magic."
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On 2010-06-15 15:48, Whit Haydn wrote:
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On 2010-06-15 15:04, bottlemaster wrote:
I think magic is so subjective as to be undefinable.


Then I don't think you should be doing magic, if you don't know what you are doing.

If it is so subjective, then at least you should know what you are trying to accomplish when you "do magic."


... maybe he can't face what he is doing and needs to call it magic for inner complex reasons
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The Burnaby Kid
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On 2010-06-15 16:24, Lawrence O wrote:
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On 2010-06-15 15:48, Whit Haydn wrote:
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On 2010-06-15 15:04, bottlemaster wrote:
I think magic is so subjective as to be undefinable.


Then I don't think you should be doing magic, if you don't know what you are doing.

If it is so subjective, then at least you should know what you are trying to accomplish when you "do magic."


... maybe he can't face what he is doing and needs to call it magic for inner complex reasons


...maybe one shouldn't be so quick to judge somebody for not offering a pat answer to a complicated question that has plagued magicians in general and the Magic Café in particular to the tune of pages of endlessly circuitous debate.
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"Appearances are of four kinds: things either are as they appear to be; or they neither are nor appear to be; or they are but do not appear to be; or they are not and yet appear to be."

-Epictetus

I think one of them at least must be magic.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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