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magicelam
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Hey all.

I just purchased Zig Zag Illusion plans (Paul Osborne) and will be building it shortly (the builder and I are currently working on a Loomis Sword Temple, and I highly recommend his Doll House DVD!). I was wondering if it is going to be easy to change the front graphic.

I helped an illusionist in a few shows, and he showed me how the middle part of the graphic helped "sell" the illusion. I've seen one or two versions that are painted differently...

Does anyone have any good advice or ideas?

Thanks!
Mike
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From what I've seen through the years, it's hard to beat the original Harbin graphic. It was well thought out.
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Doug H. had a different graphic on his in "The Magic Show" you may want to try and find a photo of it on-line.

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The graphic MUST support the deception of the illusion,
as should the color schemes.

That said, if you can replicate those optical illusions,
then it fine to experiment with the design within those parameters.

The Harbin original has never been improved upon on any version I've seen,
but then again might not fit a particular presentation or theme.

Only the limits of an effect's deceptiveness should affect
the imagination of the routine and presentation.

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Something about the original Harbin graphic that makes the effect a real convincer, but there is more to the middle than the graphic. I don't know if the Osborne plans include what's needed, but I suppose they do. I've seen a lot of wrongly constructed Zig Zags!

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The Harbin graphic is fine, but it's certainly not the only way to go. It is very abstract and futuristic. Looks like an android, perhaps. I did a Zig Zag with a somewhat more realistic lady on the front. The clothing on the graphic matched the costume of the actual "victim."

Yes, there are several stories about Zig Zags being made by people who did not have the plans and did not understand the special gaff on the door of the middle section. The illusion is no where near as deceptive without it.

To Mike,
Glad to hear you're building my Doll House. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. I am happy to help in any way I can. And please, when you're done, let me know. I'd love to add pictures of your to my collection.

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David Copperfield used a graphic that resembled a bride when he performed it on his first magic special.
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The clincher about the Harbin graphic is that it helps with the illusion of the middle being pulled way over. IMHO the "full frontal" view graphics just don't portray it as well.

I know people like to be "creative", add their take on an effect and not copy, but I've seen numerous creative ideas that just don't fly as well as the original. If you have permission to use an original routine, prop, etc that is better than
your new take on it, I think you're wiser to go with the original depending on your market and who's doing what around you.

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To Terry,
I agree with you in theory. But with care, it's not necessary to destroy the illusion when you redesign the graphic on the front.

Incidently, you said: "If you have permission to use an original routine..." Since this thread is about the Zig Zag, I'll remind all who read this that the only people that have the rights to build and perform are are the original purchasers of the Robert Harbin Book of Magic. Harbin worked very hard to protect his illusions and all of us who bought the book had to sign an agreement to that effect. Many feel that it is now in the public domain today. I don't and feel that it's a matter of ethics. Harbin created much powerful magic and tried hard to establish his proprietary rights.

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Speaking of Zig Zags, I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have or know anyone that has, "The Magic of Robert Harbin" for sale?

One of the original, authorized, signed and numbered 500.

PM any information you might have.

Thank you
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Thanks for all the replies... we may just stick with the harbin graphic... thinking of painting the illusion blue and the graphic yellow. any suggestions on this?

and to Dennis... Although I couldn't hang with the builder today, he sent me a picture of the finished house portion of the illusion. I'm going over tomorrow so we can do the base. we're also going to make a sword temple to go on it (i remember talking to you about this in PM right before I bought the DVD).

-Mike
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Hi Mike. I am a professional graphic designer and have heklped a few local magicians create graphics for thei modern art etc. I do not do it often but it can be done fairly easy. One thing I wanted to share with you and others is a format and process for doing this that works really well and will give not only a professional look but will allow the design to last longer.

This is a process of having the design done in vinyl and applied directly to the illusion itself. It is basically a similar process they use for car detailing and design work. what I usually do is have the design done in Adobe Illustrator (a vector based art program). This way the artwork can be taken to the viynol place and can be blown up to the size needed for the illusion. IOt is then cut into the vinyl and applied to the illusion in flat colors.

It works out amazingly well and is a different approach then painting the illusions. Something to just think about.

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Mike if you want I can email you a pic of the zigzag that I have. You can see the color scheme and the graphics
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Why does no one paint the back of their Zig-Zag? I always thought it look awful and unfinished whenever a magician spun it around and the back was just this big blank canvas.
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On 2007-11-11 14:03, Payne wrote:
Why does no one paint the back of their Zig-Zag? I always thought it look awful and unfinished whenever a magician spun it around and the back was just this big blank canvas.
One reason is the fact that the front middle section is gimmicked(On proper zig zags) and if you paint the back it too must be gimmicked.Usually that gimmick was "operated" by the assistant while the center section was being pulled out) Having said that years ago when I worked for Micky Hades he built a Zig Zag for Dale Harney for when he toured in the circus. In the circus the whole illusion was seen from every angle.

He designed a very clever self working gimmick that worked for both front and back and left the assistant hands free.

It really added to the illusion.
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If you wait to turn the prop (oh how I hate to use a word like that to describe such a wonderful effect) around until you move the middle section over, you could design the back of the box appropriately.

Terry
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Scott Imler
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Yes Terry I know what you mean in the circus situation that would not work as you know.
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This video speaks for itself as far as to what's wrong from all sides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FamZGIo5gc&feature=related

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Ouch!
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Wow. that was crazy.
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