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Robert,

I do have videos of every show I did. We're in the process of composing the music for the video, but I don't want to post the video on the Café because I don't want to know what other magicians think.

I've learned (and the tour with my show that some here called "controversial") to not to put something on here because the only opinions that matter are those of theater producers. So for that reason, I'm going to be mailing the DVD to potential theaters.

Plus, since all my material is my labor of love I don't want to hear what magicians think or steal my stuff.

If you have a chance to put together a show (and make sure it's theatrical) and rent a theater, do it!

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joshlondon: I do have videos of every show I did. We're in the process of composing the music for the video, but I don't want to post the video on the Café because I don't want to know what other magicians think.


Well you could always try posting one with limited material in it. That way you could find out.

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joshlondon: Plus, since all my material is my labor of love I don't want to hear what magicians think or steal my stuff.


Probably a smart idea. I hear some "magicians" may already be doing the bit where you crumple up the card and drop it behind the stool.

Good luck with future theatre stuff. Sounds exciting!

Robert
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Robert,

No I see where you're coming from. I thought you were sincerelt interested, but I've been proven wrong by the statement you've made above.

That is the exact reason I don't want to post anything or really answer personal questions people ask of me. Robert, you're what's wrong with magic today! You're spiteful and jealous of others.

Josh London

P.S. Sorry to all who are reading this topic after Robert has "hi-jacked" it. I really didn't want to respond to him anyway, but thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Gee, I re-read Roberts posts and can see nothing but words of interest, admiration and encouragement.

I notice he's even asked for your advice a couple of times and you've ignored his request.

I hope all your success is not changing you.

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I went to your site Josh and looked at your video. I believe that Robert was just saying that others here might can help. And some magicians are not performing magicians but, like to see what others are doing to promote the art like Robert thinks that you are doing. But, if your show is like your video no ones going to steal the snap change, deck in empty deck case, sorry ( I don't know the marketing name, and the disappearing card on stool. Somtimes we as magicians think we have something orginal and we don't. But, if you are making money at what you doing and have a great gimmick don't share unless you want to.

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Ok, I never claimed anything on the video that's on my site is original. That was just a fun video not meant to be reviewed. As I stated before I have another site I use solely for my theater show and there is a different video on that site.

I've been through this enough to know not to ask for a review if I don't want to know what you really think.

Plus, I took what Robert said below as a sarcastic remark that had no need to be made...

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joshlondon: Plus, since all my material is my labor of love I don't want to hear what magicians think or steal my stuff.


Probably a smart idea. I hear some "magicians" may already be doing the bit where you crumple up the card and drop it behind the stool.

Good luck with future theatre stuff. Sounds exciting!

Robert
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And since Robert was so interested in some "theater suggestion" why has he not PMd me? I have not let anything go to my head, I'm not as successful as other theater magicians, but my show did do well for the dozens of times I did it in theaters.

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I understand competely. Good Luck Josh.

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Wow josh. I really do apologise if you thought I was being sarcastic. Call it lost in translation over the internet.

I really meant nothing ill by it. Sorry if I offended you.

Robert

PS: Did you become a full time paramedic/firefighter before or after that tour? You must've been slammed schedule wise.
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Fair enough Robert. The way I took it was a sarcastic remark, but let's move on. I've been a fire-medic for a year and a half. But since I only work about 10 days a month (due to the awesome Kelly Schedule that most fire departments use) I have 20-21 extra days a month to travel/tour/relax. It's the one full time job I know of that allows so much freedom. But, keep in mind that days when I do work it's for 24 hours shifts usually in a 3-4 day period. So, at the end of the month I put in 240-264 hours per month.

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Josh,

That's pretty slick a schedule. Glad it works out in your favor.

Robert
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Comedy clubs are not all really that great. I did a few for years and they did help me get into the college market. But now that I have my own daily show, I really see no use for them. As stated above, they do not pay good at all and the schedules are brutal. Working an entire week to make what one can by doing one corporate show, just isn't appealing anymore. I do a few a year at clubs that I have worked at for years and that really supported my career. It is a nice change every once in a while from the Branson crowds that I see everyday, and I get to use some material that won't fly here. Other than that, I've stopped marketing to them.
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I don't contest the fact that comedy clubs are way low paying places, but here's what I was trying to get at with the initial question...

I've seen a lot of threads started by people who seem to have no idea HOW to perform magic for a living. I say that by the questions they ask (How many effects in a show? What do I do for a corporate show? How do I do colleges? etc.).

I am submitting that working a club or doing a set at an open mic will dramatically increase one's performance who is in need of it. An open mic is a place where you can go early, sit, chat, drink coffee/alcohol and perform a 10 minute set for a group of unbiased people who will tell you then and there what you need to work on.

I simply cannot think of another place that allows you to do that. And please do not say your local magic ring!

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Josh is certainly right about performing being the key to improvement, the one other venue worth considering are theme parks. I did 5 summers of multiple shows, and got paid, but the experience was priceless.

That said one thing to consider is that I have seen many comedy club acts that can't make the transition to working clean. One told me that cleaning up his act meant to him only saying **** twice.

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I didn't think about theme parks, but they seem a great idea. You could essentially do 3-5 shows a day for an unlimited amount of viewers that will keep you informed if your show is up to par with keeping their attention.

I really think that magicians need to get out there and perform as much as they can.

I'm reading Darwin Ortiz's Strong Magic and he very rarely suggests actually performing regularly as a way of evaluating if your act is good or not.

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I have been doing Hypnosis Show in Bars. It is harder than comedy clubs cause they don't come there for comedy. It is VERY challenging but I am really tweaking my act and so far I have made every show a success. I Hate Bars. . The Smoke, The Drunks etc but I am doing it simply to refine my act and get in front of the hardest audience before I start marketing to colleges. Getting paid to practice sounds pretty good to me.

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During the comedy club boom of the 1980's I worked at over 100 comedy clubs across the country. I started out as an opening act-you maybe make $300-$400 a week, worked my way up to headling (which took several years)at $1500-$1800 a week. Am more tha content now to be working ships at $3000-$4000 a week (and less show by far!0)
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I look back to my first comedy club shows-soley for experience & breaking in new material-was tough & nerve wracking

7 mins is a tough time with new material but it worked well

Now I have all props that can fit in my pockets or a very small table to hold a small prop etc,

Lots of laughs, created by clever Magic & creating different 7-10 min sets

As the director of 1 club told me-takes 5-10 yrs to be at the top of your game

Try a local club Raw Talent night & give it a go for anyone that wishes to pursue this great entertainment venue!!!

It aint easy but start somewhere!!!!!!!
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On 2007-11-20 12:24, joshlondon17 wrote:

I really think that magicians need to get out there and perform as much as they can.

I'm reading Darwin Ortiz's Strong Magic and he very rarely suggests actually performing regularly as a way of evaluating if your act is good or not.


Josh,

Maybe you haven't read far enough into the book...

Strong Magic, page 294:

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The key to developing a commercial sense is learning from audience reactions.


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I recommend that every time you perform for laypeople you follow up with a debriefing session. Quite simply, this means reviewing the performance in your mind to see what you can learn from it. At the first opportunity you have to be alone after the performance, mentally replay the entire performance. See the whole thing in your mind's eye. Note every bit of audience feedback you received. Recall every reaction you got or failed to get at every point in the trick.


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This leads me to the most important advice I can give you in this book. If you're serious about magic, find a place where you can perform regularly for laypeople...

...Because of the problem of limited performing opportunities, I think the debriefing exercise I described earlier, with its analysis of expectation failures, is of particular value to the amateur. A professional gets so many chances to perform that he is bound to get better almost in spite of himself. After a few hundred performances, it has to become obvious to even the densest performer that one approach is playing better than another, that this trick is strong and that one is dying, that people react well whenever he does this or says that.
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