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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts 
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Is it ethical correctiof you would hype your buddies work in this Café - following the priciple that you rub mine and I rub yours - despite your inner conviction that it is just nice?
Andy
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jimbowmanjr Veteran user Inside the Bottle 320 Posts
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If your buddy's work is good enough it won't matter who is posting comments about it because the word will get out on its own. If you are hyping someone's work and it is really garbage you are only hurting yourself and your reputation in order to help a friend make a few bucks.
As far as how ethical it is I would say it is ethical if it is true. If you are posting untrue or misleading comments about someone's effect in order to help them make a few bucks it is completely unethical. If a friend of mine comes out with something I think is worth buying or that the rest of the community could make great use of, I will likely be the first person in line to post a review and let others know about it. Likewise if a friend is trying to bring something to the market under false pretense or the effect really isn't that great in my opinion, I will be honest and let them know how I feel about it. Just my take, --Jim |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27470 Posts
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On 2007-11-17 09:31, Andy the cardician wrote: Just nice... then not nice to others to purport as otherwise - or honest - something about personal integrity comes into play here.
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts
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Yep...best just to be honest. If something deserves praise, give it. If not, then congratulate them on their efforts and move on.
Don't hype something if it's not true. This, obviously, becomes very subjective. As they say, "one man's pleasure is another man's pain" or another is "one man's trash is another man's treasure." It all depends on your point of view. Mark. |
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enginemagic Special user Bluffton Indiana 597 Posts
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Integrity that's rare in this day & age
theres a lot to learn out there,many interesting subjects,and hobbies to enjoy
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The Mac Inner circle 1983 Posts
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Hyping buddies work is just the tip of the iceberg.
There is also: buddies trashing another magicians work because their buddy has an up and coming version of the said trick. Hero-worship and fanboyism : blindly hyping something because it has a "famous" magician or company behind it. Fear on the Café: When someone famous whoc is active on the Café (and has a lot of hero-worhsip and fanboys) people are afraid to state their negative opinions (even if they are valid. It is laughable on the surface but at the end of the day it is the novice magician who reads the buddies posts and buys a trick because a friend of the inventor says its that good. Poor them. |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts
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On 2007-11-17 15:47, The Mac wrote: I find it rather amazing that the majority of the products discussed here seem to be fantastic and must haves. Seems to prove that we have good taste and make good selections.
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17158 Posts
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Hyping for the sake of hyping, I'd say no. If the work really is, in your opinion, a valuable work, be it an effect, book or video, then I see no problem with recommending it. I frequently recommend one Café members book because I found it to be a very useful and quality work, which I wish I had access to in my early magic career, and really believe that it would be beneficial to both beginners and experienced magi alike. I've never met the author, though we are probably members of the same magic club. I unfortunately live too far away to attend very often. I believe when someone has quality work there is no unethical nature to highly recommending it to others, whether the creator/author is friend or foe. If it is just a case of a couple of hacks trying to use the Café to promote each others less than stellar work, then I feel they are probably abusing the forum.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts
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I think you are right - and it is up to us to prevent them from abusing this place.
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts
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On 2007-11-17 19:36, Andy the cardician wrote: At the end it is up to the consumer to decide. Unfortunately, newcomers fall rather easily for the hyping and plugging . . . The search engine helps. Just look up other products from the creator and see in the tread who is sounding out loudest. If the same person shows up over and over again you might have discovered a pattern. Also, people are rather reluctant to post a negative voice. Many of us choose not to comment. So only a few comments, despite being very positive, might also indicate something. Of course, this is not a sure fire method, as you might have found a genuine great product.
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skinnyJon New user Upstate New York 42 Posts
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The word 'hype' seems to indicate an exaggerated or falsley positive review or description of a trick (see any magic dealer's website for examples). On the other hand if you are promoting your crony's product because it is actually good, I don't see a problem with it.
At the end of the day it is you who have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be OK with what you see. |
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cheekychap Regular user 141 Posts
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On 2007-11-17 11:06, jimbowmanjr wrote: this says it all really, nice 1 
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J.Buddy New user 53 Posts
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Another way to look at this might be, to understand this forum as being only one medium of advertisement or hyping. Just because a friend has hyped someone elses product, or created the illusion, by a high number of views, does not mean anyone even bought the product. From another angle, someone might post a new product of theirs without hype and sell many items. I do agree with those who have mentioned being honest as the best way to go.
J.B.
Rediscovering the magician inside.
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chias Regular user 144 Posts
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It all depends on the principles you uphold, if you would use your integrity to vouch for someone's product, well, why not?
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daver Elite user Jupiter, FL 436 Posts
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Let's add a little spin on this...
Your friend ASKS you to give a good review, but you don't feel that strongly about the product, or you may even not like it. How do you handle?
Dave
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6110 Posts
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A while back I was told that I would be sent tricks for review.
The first trick I recieved didn't appeal to me at all. I told the person that there was no way I could give a good review on such a product and that if he/she wanted it returned I would do so. Also, I told them to stop sending future products. Friend or not, I'll only give a good review to something that meets my standards. |
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J.Buddy New user 53 Posts
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What if,
your friend asked you to present a review for them, and you did not feel good about the trick, or book, but you have great opinions of that person. Would it be considered hype if instead of speaking about the DVD you gave your honest opinion about the person.? Isn't hype hype? J.B.
Rediscovering the magician inside.
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daver Elite user Jupiter, FL 436 Posts
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Jaz, Why only give good reviews? Statistically, not everyone will dislike a certain product, therefore if everyone only followed the adage of "if you don't have something nice to say..." then consumers would only see the good reviews and not the negative ones, defeating the purpose of reviews.
I have no problem giving or yes, even receiving negative reviews as long as they are based on truth, and not hidden agendas or personal relationships. A product is a product, and sure, reflects on the creator, but we do a disservice by keeping silent when a product is not good. I'd rather read balanced reviews rather than just seeing everyone singing it's praises...
Dave
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daver Elite user Jupiter, FL 436 Posts
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On 2008-06-10 04:12, J.Buddy wrote: Hype is not a review. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with stating opinions about the effect or person (good guy, creative, talented, this is a decent effect but not to my taste because...). If it's just a review without any personal attachments, there ya go. If it's a friend, you need to evaluate the friendship and see how well it can take the stress of mediocre of negative reviews, and make a judgement call. Me? I would (and have) tell the friend in private what I think about it and keep the public opinion out of it, because hey, if I'm the friend, a) how can I be totally unbiased and b) if anyone knows I'm a friend, my review is tainted whether or not I was truly unbiased. Hype though, is not a review. From dictionary.com... hype –verb (used with object) 1. to stimulate, excite, or agitate (usually fol. by up): She was hyped up at the thought of owning her own car. 2. to create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods; promote or publicize showily: a promoter who knows how to hype a prizefight. 3. to intensify (advertising, promotion, or publicity) by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc. (usually fol. by up). 4. to trick; gull. –noun 5. exaggerated publicity; hoopla. 6. an ingenious or questionable claim, method, etc., used in advertising, promotion, or publicity to intensify the effect. 7. a swindle, deception, or trick.
Dave
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edh Inner circle 4697 Posts
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Jaz, Why only give good reviews? Statistically, not everyone will dislike a certain product, therefore if everyone only followed the adage of "if you don't have something nice to say..." then consumers would only see the good reviews and not the negative ones, defeating the purpose of reviews. My feelings exactly.
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