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CC,

I asked why you think the light + memory techniques is impractical, the way the Doc and Fay explains it?

I believe that you consider it a "flying cow", because you cannot master it. That's all right. As I said before noone is trying to change your opinion, and I don't think Doc has to prove anything to you.
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I don't consider it a flying cow because I "cannot master it." I think that using a shiner to track multiple cards dealt out multiple players, all the while at a normal speed without appearing to burn the deck in the slightest is a ridiculous thought. I would believe that red is blue before I believed that anyone could do this while appearing to do nothing out of the ordinary.

When it comes to peeking cards on the deal with a glim, and combining the ability to do so with powerful memory techniques (like those you kindly mentioned), I believe that one with a better memory would benefit more from the shiner than one with an inferior memory.

But I still don't think that a shiner could be used to dominate every player on every round dealt by the mechanic playing it.

Tell me something Yiannis - do you believe that this could be done?

Have you EVER seen it done?

As far as my not being able to "master" the technique, that has nothing to do with my opinion of this fantasy. I don't practice glim work at all.

When I go for the money I use riffle work, and occasionaly I will peek and deal twos on the board. That's it. Why would I waste my time, like some dork, practicing moves that will bring me no return? And why the hell would I ever sit and practice something that I thought was as useless as tits on a nun?

As far as DOC not having anything to prove, that's nice of you to say. We all know the real reason that we'll never see that video.

And here's a new Chinese saying:

There's nobody's way to get out of if there's nobody doing it.

Mr. Conley, Tommy, and (as usual) KingStardog have made some good points here. Study their comments.

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I have listened to Doc and I always willing to learn. Is it possible to play Gin and play the light to see and recall ten cards? I don’t know! But I think that is easy enough to test and when get home I will play some Gin with my wife and see and if she catches me. I will just blame Yiannis if she does.

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Again, it's not memorizing X number of cards that I am scoffing at. We all saw the video clip of that "certain someone" flipping cards over quite quickly and reciting their order.

It's the actions that go into playing the light to such an extent (as I have repeatedly mentioned), and the contrast between these actions and the actions that accompany a fair deal that ruin it for me.

And I can't take fairytales about State Street So and So to the bank.

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Here's what I see CC is saying.

He's not trying to downplay the power of mnemonics or the use of a shiner. Obviously the use of either one is powerful. His skepticism comes in the ability to use both simultaneously, effectively, and expediently. Can it be done? you bet. Can it be done at dealing speed? can it be done with out arousing suspicion? that's the skepticism.

I've never played the light or have seen dancing butterflies, others have. Regardless, I have seen amazing things and have heard amazing, sometimes unbelievable, stories; however, I have come across people who were reported, by many, to be almost mystical, yet they never lived up to the hype... a case of the telephone game.

As for me, I remain agnostic in the matter. I can't prove that it can or can't be done in a seemingly natural, expedient manner; but I am keeping myself open to the possibility since either one is doable without the other.
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Yes I understand but I am open minded about doing it in heads up games like Gin. Test it! It will not kill you to test it with a pal. I don't think it will fly but I would love find out I am wrong. There is money in them there Gin games. I think you are on tilt, why don't just calm down and chill out and stop worrying about being right. Sometimes it's good to find out your wrong.
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Card cheat you wrote:
"Oh, brother.

In a casino poker room, even IF they allowed the fat slobs at the tables to put their grubby little hands on the deck to cut it, it would be a one handed cut on the table, directly onto a cut card. Perhaps you could show me a cooler move that could beat that? Oh, wait... you don't like making videos. How could I forget?"



Oh brother!!
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, Jeremy.

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Sorry for the intrusion. I meant no disrespect.

Repectfully,

Jeremy
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It's no intrusion. This is, in fact, an open forum.

Perhaps you could tell me what you meant by your comments?

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CC,

you answered my question why you think this technique is impractical. Because of your limited experience, since you don't practice glim work AND you don't practice memory techniques.

How can you say it's a fantasy, if you don't have any substancial experience in any of these techniques? I think it's because you cannot comprehend how such a skill is possible to learn.

I could have saved a lot of waisted time debating, if you have said this from the beginning.

It's ok to defend your opinion, but it's another thing to try to label it as impossible because you haven't seen it. Just because you haven't see it, it doesn't mean that it does not or cannot exist.

I believe the original Chinese saying fits better under the circumstances.

Tommy,
you know what they say about Greeks and the gifts they bring Smile
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Yiannis

Are you a member of Whit's Scoundrels place? It's cool I am Sydney Greenstreet there. Vandy is the only one I seem know there from here.

"When the Great Scorer comes to mark against your name, he cares less about how you conducted yourself than whether you won or lost."

Is Mamet Greek? Smile
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On 2007-12-06 12:31, Yiannis wrote:
you answered my question why you think this technique is impractical. Because of your limited experience, since you don't practice glim work AND you don't practice memory techniques.


You can't put words in my mouth when it's all written right here, pal. That's not all I said.

It just doesn't seem physically possible to me to pull this off and not appear to be doing so.

That's it.

Read everything that I wrote, then read it again.

Your advanced memory techniques don't seem to help you remember all that I have said on the topic.

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Anyway I have lost score of this match.
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Hey Sydney,

nice photo Smile
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[quote]On 2007-12-06 13:11, tommy wrote:
Yiannis

Are you a member of Whit's Scoundrels place? It's cool I am Sydney Greenstreet there. Vandy is the only one I seem know there from here.

[quote]
Hey What about me? chopped liver?
...think not that all wisdom is in your school. You may have studied other paths,but, it is important to remember that no matter who you are or where you come from, there is always more to learn.
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Sorry Kingstardog. I was just wondering if there were guys over there with different names than they use here.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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