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Hey guys! My name is Michael Brady. A friend (Brandon Johnson) and I came up with a new ending to Scotch and Soda. At the end where the spectator has a coin in each hand, instead of taking the quarter and doing the classic Bobo switch, we have used a newer effect called Spellbound. So you see the quarter visually change into the Mexican coin right in front of your eyes. This is a lot more visual then a Bobo switch. I have tried it both ways. I get more reaction out of it with the new way. Some people have said that both ways are very good. My question is this: Which way do you think would be better? I hope to have a video up soon so you can visual see what I am talking about. Thanks for your help!

-Michael Brady
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Not new just different and they are not used to the same effect. Keep thinking though.
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Magicsanta, I never claimed this is new or anything it is just my approach to using the scotch and soda gimmick and making it more of a coin transpo than the normal scotch and soda routine. The effect I wanted with this is to have a quarter visibly transpo with one of the coins in the spectators hands. I think this coin transpo has a different feel than a copper silver transpo or other coin transpos. What did you mean that they are not used in the same routine? I don't mean to sound rude or anything just wondering. This effect we (Michael and I) have been working on was not meant to be a scotch and soda routine. I just use the scotch and soda gimmick. Try this idea maybe one time and I think you will find that it has a diferent feel to it than other coin transpos and it is very visual.
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Magicsanta, Brandon has a very good point. You just need to try it out for your self. You will then see what we are talking about. And never meant it for just the Scotch and Soda routine. that's just how we came up with it. We are still playing around with some ideas. This is just one of them. In time we will come up with a better version and then add that to other routines as well.
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Excuse me kids, here is what dragon said

clipped from post: I came up with a new ending to Scotch and Soda

I don't know, that does indicate that you all are saying you came up with a new ending....let me look at it again for a moment. (ten seconds pass) Yup, looks like you said it.

You ask: What did you mean that they are not used in the same routine?

I never said anything remotely close to that. I stated, and I clippeth:
...they are not used to the same effect.

Note 'to the same effect' is not the same as 'in the same effect' with the word effect being used rather than routine but effect as in to bring about the same result. Here, my questioning duo, is the definition per Webster:

1ef·fect
Pronunciation: \i-ˈfekt, e-, ç-, ə-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French & Latin; Anglo-French, from Latin effectus, from efficere to bring about, from ex- + facere to make, do — more at do
Date: 14th century

Simply put the Bobo Switch is used to secretly switch one coin for another without it being noted by the spectator, this is why they used the word 'switch' in the title of said utility move. The Spellbound move is used to visably change one coin into another by rubbing the coin.

One is used to switch, one to change...the switching is not the same as changing it thus they are not used to the same effect, please see definition above if you have forgotten it.

Now let us continue:

Young Brandon says: it is just my approach to using the scotch and soda gimmick

Young Dragon says: never meant it for just the Scotch and Soda routine

uh....you sure you two know each other?

Doesn't matter. I said it not a new idea, it isn't, you may not be aware of it but that doesn't mean it doesn't and has not existed. It isn't an insult it is just a fact, sorry, you are reinventing the wheel. The two moves are not used to the same effect as I stated. I also told you to keep on thinking as a way of saying it may not be new but at least you are thinking about trying to do something new.

Now since neither of you understood what I said I think I've explained it clearly now would you like to re consider your argument or just carry on thinking and realize that there is very little new under the Sun? Your call.
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Just saw another post from Mr. Dragon where he states he can't come up with new stuff because he doesn't know enough about sleights etc.. Good point. My advice is you don't try so hard to be magic creators. I know you are excited and want to sit at the big table but you have to learn your art first. Whit Haydn wrote a wonderful essay comparing magic to music and that no one expects a person learning to play guitar to write their own music, they need to learn how to play the instrument first, then how to play others music. Some day they may write their own music but many can do very well performing others musical pieces just in their own style. That is very important to learn and understand.

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One. We do know each other. What I stated in the first post was wrong. I never meant it as a new ending. I know what I said but I stated it the wrong way. Two. Spellbound is just as good as the other way. Even though one is a switch and one is a rub it doesn't matter. The ending is the same. The coins switch places. Three. You have no idea how young or how old my friend and I are. Its none of your buisness. Four. Yes I said that I didn't know much. But that doesn't mean that I don't know some. You have no clue what so ever on how much I know. So don't go and assume things. And one last thing. I have played a guitar for a long time. I can play and read just about anything I see. It takes practice time and patience. Which I have. The same is true about magic. I don't know everything. I don't claim to know everything. I just believe that there is a lot I don't know and could learn. I can walk just so you know.

Im very sorry for the trouble I have caused you Mr. Santa. It was never my intentions to start something. I just was wondering about a few things. Im very sorry if I have sounded disrespectful and hateful. That was never my intentions. I hope you umderstand what I was trying to say about the Spellbound technique. Im sorry for the confusion. I hope you can accept my apologies.
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One more thing too. When I said that this was a "new" ending, I was speaking out of terms. My freind reminded me that this was not a new idea just a differant approach to the routine. Im sorry for speaking out of terms. Hope you accept all my apologies.
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is why I do not like helping kids....except for that Steve Simmons, I like him, nice young man.
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Mr. Santa, I was never intending on creating an argument over this. I was just trying to clear up the "new ending" as Michael called it. I was aware that this was not new. I am very sorry that I used what you said out of context I never meant to do this. I just didn't understand that you were talking about the bobo switch and the spellbound change,I thought you were talking about the effect my friend was talking about and scotch and soda. I am sorry that I misread the post and used your words out of context. I do agree that a bobo switch is a secret switch and a spellbound is a very open change of a coin. I never meant to say they were the same. I also would like you to know that I'm not trying hard to be a magic creator thank you for the advice by the way. I never meant any disrepect with what I said I was just trying to clear up what my friend said. I am sixteen although I don't see that my age is relevant to the topic. This is all I'm saying on the subject....I didn't know that an argument would get started over this or I never would have replyed to the post I was just trying to help clear thinks up. Thank you for your time and I hope this post helps clear everything up. And I want you to know that by this post I am not trying to attack you or be disrespectfull in any way and I hope this post doesn't come across this way. Again thank you very much for the advice and for your time.
-Brandon Johnson
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Mr. Santa. I am going to agree with Brandon on a few things. I too am very sorry about all of this. When I spoke out of context it was wrong of me. I would like to thank you for all the advice you gave me. It has been helpful and inspiring. Thanks alot. I appreciate your help. I hope that we can put this entire thing behind us now and just move on with our career in magic and with our lives.

With many thanks and appreciation,
-Lord of the Dragons
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MR.SANTA,YOU DON'T LIKE HELPING KIDS,BUT YOU WANT KIDS OR WHO EVER TO BUY YOUR THING OR WATCH YOUR TRICKS AND I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK IN A DICTIONARY TO SPELL WHAT I WANT TO SAY .I MAY NOT BE IN CONTEXT EITHER.HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU STARTED DOING MAGIC DID THE PEOPLE TELL YOU THEY DID NOT LIKE HELPING YOU.THESE ARE VERY GOOD KIDS THAT LIKES TO DO MAGIC AND THEY WILL PROBALY GROW UP TO TAKE YOUR PLACE ARE YOU JUST A LITTLE JEALOUS YOU NEED TO LEARN TO WALK FIRST.GET OUT OF MAGIC IF YOU DON'T LIKE KIDS.SO ANY KIDS ON THE Café MR.SANTA DOES NOT WANT TO HELP YOU.I THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR MAGICIANS HELPING OTHER MAGICIANS AND SPECIALY TO HELP OUT THE YOUNGER GENERATION.
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Magic Kid....when I started in magic you learned from books you might find in the library or you made up things yourself. If you were lucky enough to have a magic shop close by or you found one on a vacation trip you went in and perhaps got a trick or a booklet. If you wanted to advance in the art you did it yourself or with your friends who knew tricks and you had to show the magicians that you were sincere and worthy of their time. You had to show that you were worthy enough to even get the name of a book a trick was in. You eventually work your way into the back room where the real good stuff was kept out of sight and where the more experienced guys worked their craft. You watched, you were polite, and you listened and learned. If they accepted you as one worth their time you would share and learn and that is how it worked.

I do not like teens for the most part because they are lazy and think they are equals to magicians because they learn tricks off of the net. I have sent instructions for routines, tips on performing, even drew illustrations to explain things for people of your ilk who, with one exception, do not even say 'thank you'. I have stopped helping the 'younger generation' because they do not deserve to be helped. They don't appreciate it or see the value in it. If you read what I put I was pointing out the ideas were not new nor were they used to reach the same end result. I then recognized how good it was they were thinking rather than being spoon fed like so many of your bretheren.

I can assure you that I do not worry about any of you growing up to take my place, that is expected. What I hope for is that they grow up to be well rounded individuals and respect the art and those that developed the routines they butcher as they impersonate David Blaine. You, Magic Kid, is the reason I don't like teens, you are the problem, and I owe nothing to your generation because they think they can get it on there own at badmagic.com, I wish you luck. As for others if I think they are sincere and polite I, and many others, will be happy to help them. You, on the other hand, are on your own as far as I'm concerned you newbie little snot.
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I do want to say that both Michael and Brandon seem like nice young men and I have no problem helping them if I can.
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On 2007-11-25 18:49, MagicSanta wrote:
My advice is you don't try so hard to be magic creators.


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On 2007-11-27 02:17, MagicSanta wrote:
Magic Kid....when I started in magic you learned from books you might find in the library or you made up things yourself.



I don't get it.
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On 2008-04-02 12:14, ptigue wrote:
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On 2007-11-25 18:49, MagicSanta wrote:
My advice is you don't try so hard to be magic creators.


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On 2007-11-27 02:17, MagicSanta wrote:
Magic Kid....when I started in magic you learned from books you might find in the library or you made up things yourself.



I don't get it.


lol g1
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Keep at guys, you have to start some where. Don't get discouraged by any negative comments.

Sorry but I just couldn't resist, you sort of walked right into it Santa, no harm or foul intended.

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On 2007-11-25 18:49, MagicSanta wrote:
My advice is you don't try so hard to be magic creators.


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On 2007-11-27 02:17, MagicSanta wrote:
Magic Kid....when I started in magic you learned from books you might find in the library or you made up things yourself.
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That is a very funny contridaction lol, on one hand MagicSanta says don't try so hard to be magic creators yet in the same breath explain in his hay day you had to create or make up things for yourself. You have to admit it is quite a funny couple of statements. No harm intended MS

I laugh when ever I read "the in my day" comment ( I do know were Santa is coming from because I had to learn from books as well) but I am willing to admit that is not the day anymore. Use what you find as a good teaching tool, maybe one day you will like books over cd's, who knows. Most importantly have fun and enjoy yourself and don't let people discourage you. " oh the times they are a changing " Hm were have I heard that before, oh ya Bob Dylan

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So am I the only one here wondering exactly why you are performing a switch after scotch and soda?!?!? The gimmick is perfectly examinable and there is no call for a switch.

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You do have a good point there joejoe. Magic Santa how do you know if they are kids?
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Seems pretty freakin' obvious when you look at how they responded to Santa. The man knows what he's talking about.
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