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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I'll have to look for the photo of those rings. back soon
Posted: Jan 25, 2008 6:56pm 5 enormous rings. I will see if I can put it onto my blog. http://www.petebiro.blogspot.com STAY TOONED...
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
5 enormous rings. I will see if I can put it onto my blog. http://www.petebiro.blogspot.com
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Khayman New user 35 Posts |
Soo I have never used cups and balls.
What would you recomend as beginner c&b? I don't relly know if I like to use c&b so I prefere not to pay like 250 usd for something that I don't know if I like if you know what I meen. So I'm looking for good beginner c&b. Mmmm I did search for it but I couldent find any answers. Thanks! |
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Tom Fenton Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts |
Khayman
You can get cups for a lot less than $250, have a look at the Bazar de Magia cups. They are good value and, if the C&B is not for you, you haven't spent too much. For learning a routine, check out the one in Mark Wilson's Complet Course in Magic.
"But there isn't a door"
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Khayman New user 35 Posts |
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On 2008-01-26 09:34, Tom Fenton wrote: Yihooo! I will try to look for them right now! I just got that book from Mark Wilson two days ago so I have to look there! Why are the cups and balls sooooo expensive? are there anything special with those cups? I'm not looking for spoilers just a yes or no Thanks a lot for the help! |
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walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts |
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On 2008-01-26 10:11, Khayman wrote: please make yourself a favor and read some of the old topics in this forum, there is a treasure of information.
“Magic becomes art when it has nothing to hide.” BEN OKRI quote
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Tom Fenton Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts |
Cups are the price they are because of the cost of materials, the costs of tooling up to produce them and because they're hand made.
There are other factors too but these are the main ones.
"But there isn't a door"
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Skypoint New user Dallas, Texas 71 Posts |
I still have my first set of cups I bought back in 1970. They're still in beautiful shape. I picked up another set by Morrisey out of Canada some time ago, simply because they had the Chop Cup feature.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Professional grade cups are expensive because of the work involved. For example, the materials for a set of standard sized copper cups will cost you around $15 - $20. That's if you buy it in bulk. That's also in flat sheet form.
Now you have to cut it into squares, then into circles. Then you have to spin it into shape. This may take as many as 6 separate spinning and rolling operations for one copper cup. There are also annealing operations between each step of the spinning. Then you have to polish it. This takes a lot more time than spinning the cup. This is very labor intensive work. Now, if you were making 10,000 cups using computer spinning, the cost would go way down. But so would the quality.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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matt kemp Veteran user 312 Posts |
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On 2008-01-29 00:31, Bill Palmer wrote: I have always wondered this: Why do people polish the cups? We let them patina anyway. I would buy a set of unpolished cups if the price were slashed in half... |
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walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts |
“Magic becomes art when it has nothing to hide.” BEN OKRI quote
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
The polishing basically triples the price. However, if you want plated cups, it is necessary.
Also, some people prefer polished metal.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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matt kemp Veteran user 312 Posts |
I agree that polished cups look much better than unpolished cups. My Foxy 2.5's were polished and my Don Alan had a brush finish. I like the patina on my foxys MUCH more than the patina on the Don Alan. But, I could live with brushed finished cups for 1/3 the price.
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Dave McFarland Regular user Portland, OR 184 Posts |
I got a copper set of unpolished Sisti Cups from Jake, and the patina is turning out very nice.
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Robert Kohler Special user Fayetteville, Arkansas 520 Posts |
Also, the polishing prior to patina evens everything out so that the process is more uniform..............
We judge ourselves by our intentions - others judge us by our actions.....
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
It's all a matter of personal taste.
That's one reason I generally don't tell people what the "best" cups are.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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