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magico563 Veteran user UK, sheffield. 381 Posts |
I have been doing ring on ribbon and finishing with ring flight for some time now and I was borrowing a ring of someone to do the effect. I was talking to a fellow magician about my performance of it and he said that I should not borrow the ring of some anymore and use my own ring because there has been so many horror stories about loosing the ring and things like that and he said he had a experience where he dropped the persons ring and could see it any ware but found it in about 20mins!! He said that the feeling he had when he couldn’t find the ring was the worst feeling he had ever felt and all the fuss for a magic trick when you could just use your own ring.
I was saying to him that I end with a ring flight and you cant do a ring flight with your own ring!! So he said ye I got rid of my ring flight because I was not taking the risk again or he said that I could tag the ring but I don’t want to be messing around tagging the ring. Finally he said that no matter how much practice you have put into it and no matter how professional you are, there is still that risk of dropping the ring or losing the ring when you do the ring flight!! So my question to everyone is: Do I get rid of my ring flights? Do I take the risk? Do I tag the ring in some way? I know I can answer these questions for myself but what would you do?? Thanks, magico563:-) |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
Flights w/ reels can be scary so I don't use this type.
When using a reeless flight the danger involved with a borrowed ring is lessened. However, there are other problems such as rings with loose, expensive stones. These may fall out or the person you borrowed it from may claim that you made it loose and expect you to repair it. I read somewhere that one person claimed that her expensive ring was switched for a fake. My suggestions. Borrow rings that are not very expensive. Non-jeweled wedding bands for example. I've used my own finger ring with a ring and cord routine that ends with the ring vanishing and appearing among the keys. Another idea is to do the old 'Coin to Key' from Bobo and use your ring instead of a coin. End with the ring among the keys and do an effect with a key. Don't get rid of the flight, just be careful. If a band type ring is not available then don't do the trick or use your own ring. |
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Angelo the Magician Loyal user Vienna(Austria/Europe) 217 Posts |
There exist hundreds of really great effects, much more than I can practice during my whole life - so there are many points to consider: Does the effect fit to my personality, is the effect something I would do if I were a really magician, can I sell it as magic or is it only a riddle/puzzle . . . and so on.
One point is: Can something happen I don't feel well with, for example: A spectators jacket which can become dirty or similiar situations. Therefore: No ring flight with a reel! |
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magico563 Veteran user UK, sheffield. 381 Posts |
Yes it really dose fit my personality but should I still be taking the risk of borrowing a persons ring even if I don't do the ring flight because there is still I risk you could lose the ring without the ring flight!!
Thanks, magico563:-) |
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Tina I Regular user Oslo/ Norway 194 Posts |
I would say that if you don't feel 100% certain that you won't loose the ring I'd say don't do it! It goes for all magic really, if you're not sure you can pull it off then you shouldn't do the effect. But bombing on a trick is one thing, loosing your spectators valuables is something entirely different.
Tina |
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disneywld Special user Denver, CO 614 Posts |
I use ring flight for another type of vanish. I do not borrow other people's property - except for money. (For money tricks)
The Magic of Christopher Manos
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Mediocre the Great Inner circle Rich Hurley 1062 Posts |
Jaz's advice is probably the best... borrow a ring that's not too valuable such as a man's wedding band, in order to minimize your risk.
That said... with greater risk there are greater rewards! Borrow a big diamond ring from a woman spectator and you're going to have greater impact. The jokes are funnier and the vanish is more impactful. Ring tricks are great because there is so much EMOTIONALLY at stake. IMHO, a borrowed ring effect is most powerful close up magic you can perform. I regularly perform Doug Mallow's ring to wallet and Richard Sander's Interlaced. I think they're a lot easier on the merchandise than ring flight. Dean Dill and I have developed a new trick called "Ring Finale". It will be on the market soon and it's very gentle compared to ring flight. As Pete Biro would say... stay tooned!
Mediocrity is greatly under rated!
-------------------------------------------- Rich Hurley aka Mediocre The Great! www.RichHurleyMagic.com |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Just IN case eliminates all the problems. And as said above use a men's wedding band sans stone.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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magico563 Veteran user UK, sheffield. 381 Posts |
Thanks for advise guys!! I do have interlace by richared sanders but I have never used it as much as my ring flight where it gose to the keys!! I am 100% confedent about the routine but not matter how confident you are that you will not lose the ring there is still a risk of loseing it. I think I will use interlace more often than the ring flight, infact interlace is a lot more powerfull than A ring flight (in my view) pluse it a lot safer!!
Thanks, magico563:-) |
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Eddie Torres Special user New York City 692 Posts |
Sometimes, that tiny bit of danger involved with using someone's ring is part of what makes the effect work. I do a ring vanish into an odd place and the presentation uses tha natural comedy of losing the ring and that danger involved in losing it. So sometimes it's very necessary. Make sure you're not in too dark an area, you have a rather simple pattern on the floor and that any devices you're using are in perfect orking order, that should make things much easier.
Eddie
Eddie Ivan Torres
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Clark Special user 957 Posts |
I just don't borrow a person's ring, period. Plenty of effects out there that do not have this potentially disastrous downside. What can go wrong will go wrong, eventually.
“The key to creativity is in knowing how to hide your sources.”
Albert Einstein |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Steve Dushecks 's ringer there is none of the above problems and the effect can be repeted and no jacket required
vinny |
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magico563 Veteran user UK, sheffield. 381 Posts |
I have decided to still borrow a ring but it has to be a mans band ring and I will do my usual ring on ribbon routine but instead of ending with ring flight I will end with interlace which I used for a different effect but never mind.
Thanks for the help guys, magico563:-) |
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Red Shadow Inner circle 1788 Posts |
I use my own ring for ALL my ring effects. I use to borrow rings but there were several problems...
1) The size of the ring - would it fit on my fingers for the sleights? 2) Was the ring hollow inside - would it tear my nail? 3) The shape of the ring? - if bigger on one side, I cannot do my big finish. 4) Was there a gem, or rock in place? Not only does that limit the effects I can do, but it makes it more vulnerable to getting damaged. 5) Dropping the ring - it doesn't matter how good you are, after doing the trick one-hundred times in a row, in the freezing cold, your hands are tied and weak. Don't take that chance. But most of all, the spectators don't like it. They pretend they do, but they really hate giving a personal item to a magician to do a cheap trick with. You can see it in their eyes when they give you that fake laugh, and when you supposedly vanish it, you can see the worry look in their eyes. That's a client that will NEVER book you again. I know how much a magician thinks its the best for the trick, but think about it - would you risk giving an important ring, such as your wedding ring (worth a lot of money) to a complete stranger? Who then does a cheap trick with your important item? And then vanishes it - wondering if you'll ever get it back? Its the worst feeling in the world to have your property in someone else's hands. Stephen DVD - Ring Tricks now availble! |
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magico563 Veteran user UK, sheffield. 381 Posts |
Well do you tag your ring at all?? Because I use interlace and ring flight and its not powerful when you do it with your own ring and there is no proof its the same ring?? Could any of you guys please give me same ideas of some how doing something to the ring to make sure they know it is that ring and not a duplicate?? And I don’t want to be sighing it!!
Thanks, magico563:-) |
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Eddie Torres Special user New York City 692 Posts |
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On 2007-12-05 20:07, ku7uk3 wrote: Well if you're going to do a cheap trick with a it then there's no real point in using the ring, a phenomenal one however, will cause a great deal in amazement and a relief when the ring is produced inside a sealed can or something else you haven't touched. If you're going to use your own ring for stuff like that, one might as well use their own money for a bill in lemon, I don't know it just seems so anti-climactic... and here is!... my ring... ok, I'll just put that away... Eddie
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
Magico,
There are several suggestions here that should allow you to decide what to do. Do it with any ring. Do it only when band or signet type rings are available and there usually are. Use your own ring ... or not. |
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Bob Johnston Inner circle Philadelphia, PA 1251 Posts |
I use "Just In Case" so the ring is never out of my control.
Bob |
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
I also vote for Just in Case. I like it so much, (I bought the company) no wait...I do own two of them though. This has currently taken a back seat though to Skinner's ring on stick. It's my new favorite on my A list, and you can probably find other posts here on the Café' where I'm running my big fat mouth about it. If you do get a ring with stones on it, I always carefully examine it. I act like I'm admiring the craftsmanship etc, but in reality, I'm checking for loose or missing stones. I'll tell you something though, if you REALLY wanna see someone sweat, do it with a Super Bowl ring! One of my regular clients is a champion from the Packers and the first time he saw that ring disappear, his eyes about fell out of his head! I've done it a few times since then when there is a different crowd around him, and he's a bit more trustworthy now, but he still acts nervous.
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Michaels Elite user 412 Posts |
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On 2007-12-05 20:07, ku7uk3 wrote: Without question, never borrow a ring with a stone. Murphy's law will eventually come and bite you in the a**. However, I do not agree with using your own ring. The impact is always stronger with a borrowed ring analogous to a signed vs unsigned card. It boils down to knowing and controlling your audience. If I may suggest, never ask an individual if you may borrow their ring. Ask if you may borrow a gentleman's wedding band. You have now allowed them to volunteer the use of their ring. I'm scanning the rings for size, shape and and the presence of stones. After I take the ring I say, "now go out and have a wonderful time". His wife is usually laughing harder than he is at this time. The rapport the entertainer develops with his audience allows him/her to increase their boundaries. Derren Brown attributes most of what he does to his ability to establish a rapport with his audience. Michaels
"Our technology is ahead of our humanity"
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