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On 2007-12-08 05:56, Unknown419 wrote:
P.S. Dice that are still on the table must remain still even when switched; yours bounced.


For sure. That switch looks better with $1,000 rather than $4, too.
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Hi Mr Z,

That was excellent. I am in awe. I particularly liked the casual, fast, 'sort of dirty' way the cards are handled, false dealt, switched out etc with no hesitation or stall. I also noticed you move your thumb when second dealing which is a method Scarne is noted for. And as for your stud seconds, well....please don't tell me you are just 23 years old!!!!

All the best,

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On 2007-12-08 00:03, reasons14 wrote:
Yall say its to fast to fly in some games. What makes you think he can't do it slow and smooth as well?


Its not that there is anything wrong with that work at all. But, the speed and mannerisms it was presented with are wrong for bigger games. If more than 5k is floating ,most of the folks in a private game are willing to defend its integrity. even that air shuffle would go if it was done as if it was a newly learned flourish. Everyone would smile and enjoy. Without tuning and dumbing down, that work will draw a click and it won't be no camera. And be certain everyone will apologize after your pockets are empty and you turn up clean. A couple of the diaries I have go into graphic descriptions of shake downs and I have seen ribbon spreads erupt right in the middle of a deal more than once so be aware. Be informed and avoid what might look funny evn if it only does to one person.
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The stud seconds were unreal Z, really pretty......nice hands on all of it actually, and great to watch.
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Doc,

You disappoint me.

J
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On 2007-12-08 13:48, KingStardog wrote:
Its not that there is anything wrong with that work at all. But, the speed and mannerisms it was presented with are wrong for bigger games. If more than 5k is floating ,most of the folks in a private game are willing to defend its integrity. even that air shuffle would go if it was done as if it was a newly learned flourish. Everyone would smile and enjoy. Without tuning and dumbing down, that work will draw a click and it won't be no camera. And be certain everyone will apologize after your pockets are empty and you turn up clean. A couple of the diaries I have go into graphic descriptions of shake downs and I have seen ribbon spreads erupt right in the middle of a deal more than once so be aware. Be informed and avoid what might look funny evn if it only does to one person.


PERFECT.

There aren't many people out there that I would enjoy sitting down and chatting with.

This guy is one of them.

CC
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Hi CC,

I think it very much depends what kind of criteria you bring to bear when evaluating a video of this kind. In viewing Mr Z's work, my own primary concern is with the level, style and quality of skill he is exibiting. For me its about gaining insights and inspiration for furthering my own card handling. This is different from looking at such work and applying the conditions needed to hustle at the card table. I think many of us who follow the gambling subforum know that any kind of theatricality and show of skill would be undesirable to say the least. I've no doubt that someone like Mr Z would be more than capable of toning it all down in the right situation. This dilemma reminds me of the film with Paul Newman called 'The Hustler' On one occassion he loses his cool, blows his cover by becoming expert and has his thumbs broken.

Regards,

Paul H
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On 2007-12-08 13:48, KingStardog wrote:
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On 2007-12-08 00:03, reasons14 wrote:
Yall say its to fast to fly in some games. What makes you think he can't do it slow and smooth as well?


Its not that there is anything wrong with that work at all. But, the speed and mannerisms it was presented with are wrong for bigger games.


Well I don't play in private poker games for one, so I think a lot of that is moot. At any rate, I'm curious as to your definition of "bigger games." I know a legendary hustler who moved in some gigantic casino poker games back in the old days of Vegas, who's done the Gardena scene and also worked as a center-dealer for big private games, featuring all your world champ poker players. While he's not quite as fast as me his skill is pretty apparent, and as he likes to say, "The dealer's supposed to know how to shuffle."

But this issue on speed is always an interesting discussion--I've been told I'm "too fast" since I first picked up a deck of cards, although not by the ones that count... There certainly is a time and place to slow down on certain things, although it has nothing to do with trying to look inconspicuous--rather it's to make sure you don't **** up and make an expensive mistake!

Context is everything of course. I'm in and around the casino business, thus I think my "style" if you will is appropriate for it. It doesn't get much "bigger" than having over $1,000,000 in your rack, with cameras all around and personnel trained to look for that sort of thing. I think most would agree trying to look like a lump in this situation is the exact opposite of what you'd want. Also, for the sake of pure demonstration, especially on camera, I think it's the way to go if you can swing it.

My .02.
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I think about all of you have valid points and I can't really come up with something valuble to add. Great work Z. I am really impressed by those seconds.

Kim
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On 2007-12-08 15:12, JasonEngland wrote:
Doc,

You disappoint me.

J


I don't know why because that was Mr. Z. Some people just know too much.


Doc
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You see the upside down faro riffle, well there is two casino dealers, I know personally, that do that in cash casino games. The one dealer also does, I am not sure what the are called but lets call them, perfect water fall faros. To my knowledge neither the casino or a player has ever said anything to them about it surprisingly.
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On 2007-12-08 16:54, Paul H wrote:
This is different from looking at such work and applying the conditions needed to hustle at the card table.


Well, I guess that is the first criteria by which I judge gambling sleights.

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On 2007-12-08 16:54, Paul H wrote:
I've no doubt that someone like Mr Z would be more than capable of toning it all down in the right situation.


I believe that I said that. If I didn't, I sure as heck meant to.

Z makes a couple of good points. For the record, I give him that.

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On 2007-12-08 16:56, Mr. Z wrote:

Context is everything of course. I'm in and around the casino business, thus I think my "style" if you will is appropriate for it. It doesn't get much "bigger" than having over $1,000,000 in your rack, with cameras all around and personnel trained to look for that sort of thing. I think most would agree trying to look like a lump in this situation is the exact opposite of what you'd want. Also, for the sake of pure demonstration, especially on camera, I think it's the way to go if you can swing it.

My .02.


Kewl, my Grandfather's construction company built most of old Vegas. Our family tree sprouted grew from there. Still have plenty of family there in management. May be you can elaborate as to your standing. Pm would be fine.
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On 2007-12-08 13:48, KingStardog wrote:
Its not that there is anything wrong with that work at all. But, the speed and mannerisms it was presented with are wrong for bigger games. If more than 5k is floating ,most of the folks in a private game are willing to defend its integrity. even that air shuffle would go if it was done as if it was a newly learned flourish. Everyone would smile and enjoy. Without tuning and dumbing down, that work will draw a click and it won't be no camera. And be certain everyone will apologize after your pockets are empty and you turn up clean. A couple of the diaries I have go into graphic descriptions of shake downs and I have seen ribbon spreads erupt right in the middle of a deal more than once so be aware. Be informed and avoid what might look funny evn if it only does to one person.


PERFECT.

There aren't many people out there that I would enjoy sitting down and chatting with.

This guy is one of them.

CC


I would most certainly want to sit in with Gaffed,from the scoundrels forum, and ask all the questions I have at this age and record his answers and wisdom to save for the future. I regard myself as one who is old enough to know what questions to ask. He can answer them, and I hope he would while he is able to do so. A small round table with folks who actually can ask those questions, would be gold.
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Who is gaffed?
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Three wrongs do not make a right: CC naming Z = Wrong. Doc putting up video of others without asking them = wrong. Jason naming Rod and Steve = Wrong. Total of Three wrongs.

Does that make any sense? I don’t know but that’s how I see it.

I am not often wrong but I am right again. Smile
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On 2007-12-09 08:13, tommy wrote:
Three wrongs do not make a right: CC naming Z = Wrong. Doc putting up video of others without asking them = wrong. Jason naming Rod and Steve = Wrong. Total of Three wrongs.

Does that make any sense? I don’t know but that’s how I see it.

I am not often wrong but I am right again. Smile


Tommy thank you very much, I totally agree with you. I'm glad we have someone here that has some sense.

Thank God for Tommy


Respectfully,

Doc
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"Z" doesn't actually say in this thead that it wasn't him.....or am I missing something?

Jason says it, but Z doesn't.

So Doc posts a video of Steve, but says it's Z. Then a bunch of guys (including me) give Z kudos for his excellent stud second and others.
Then Z comes on and basically says "thanks guys" and that he learned it all from Steve.
Then Jason says it wasn't Z, but that it was Steve.

This definitely makes for confusion.

If Z wasn't in the video, why did he say "thanks guys?"...........but more importantly, will Doc marry Wilma, will Jason take the new job, will Silverking move up to foreman on the ditch digging crew, will Tommy move to America to find fame and fortune...........tune in next week to find out, same time, same channel.
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Silverking there were two videos, one that someone put up of the real Mr. Z doing excellent work and the other I put up of Steve saying that it was Mr. Z but it wasn't because I was told by you know who not to use certain peoples names and I didn't but he was doing the exact same moves as Mr. Z; this is why I called it deja vu.

Most of the people at this forum thought that the other footage was of Mr. Z as well until someone told everybody that it was actually Steve and Rod in my footage.

Conclusion: When Mr. Z said thanks guys...it was because of the well said compliments of his video.


Take Care

Doc
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Got it...thanks Doc.
I didn't flash on the fact there was two different videos.

(Mr. Z, it WAS your video I was watching, so it WAS your stud second I found amazing)
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