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Mr. Z great video, best stud seconds I ever seen, really really well done. What to do with Doc posting a video, I cannot judge was it wright or wrong, all I can say it is excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
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The moves were excellent and I really enjoyed the clip.
Doc, you are the only one who knows if you were or were not allowed to show the video.
Jason England, you are blessed to be able to session and talk with these guys but as far as I go, I learn a lot from these videos and I'm glad Doc posts them, if somebody has to tell Doc that he's wrong it's not you but the people who appear in the videos.

Just the way I see it,

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Mr. England,

could you please stop policing this forum? Most of us are here because Doc is here and because of the knowledge he shares. If you want to preach ethics, you are in the wrong place. Give it a rest and have the courtesy to leave Doc and the rest of us alone.
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Amazing moves Z. Wish I was as lucky to have had as great a teacher , and such a devotion to practice.
As for Doc and the rest....I can't really comment because it isn't my place, but some of you need to chill out. Doc posts a 2 minute video and you go crazy , I doubt anyone learned anything amazing from it , some probably didn't even make the connection between people. Doc looks like he needs to be more carefull in future though.

take care.
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For those of you who spoke your mind freely for or against me I still thank you for writing. I'm not trying to reveal the secrets that was given to me and I made no agreement with anyone regarding my footage; it's a gambler's code that I'm honoring and I still haven't given up their secrets as they haven't given up mine. All whom I have footage of know this for a fact and this is why no one is bothering me except Jason, The only videos that I taught anything from were mine; the things that I made up.

Readers you know what's ironic about all of this and I'm going on record to date and saying it...The same people who he said won't ever tell me anything again is the same one's who told me not to show him the teaching footage of these moves because he wasn't a gambler. Ouch...

My question to ya'll is if I'm wrong, why did they teach Mr. Z and not Jason? Why is it that Mr. Z's skillz is far superior to Jason's? Why is it that I have the Holy Grail and not Jaaaaaaaassssssooooooonnnnnn?

I'm out of here (hittin' the road)


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Well it's sad to see this thread taking such a nasty turn. Just thought I'd address a few things.

Obviously, the video Doc posted isn't of me--I never claimed that it was. Yes, most of that was the same stuff I did in my video clip.

I've stated my position in the past about Doc posting these videos of these guys. I don't think it's right to be putting this stuff out there without their permission. Personally, my issue has more to do with the fact that given Steve's current circumstances, I think it's quite disrespectful and insensitive. He just doesn't need this right now. I guess Doc's rationale is that since he shot it it's his and he can do what he wants with it. I disagree and side with Jason, but at the end of the day we can't control what Doc does.

Don't be hard on Jason, he's just looking out for his friends, and rightly so. These accusations of him trying to keep "the good stuff" under wraps for his own benefit are really ironic--without going into details, there are a number of projects in the works with Steve that will have you guys jumping for joy if they see the light of day.

As far as CC "naming me," I don't have an issue with it. While I have always sought to keep a low profile around here, the fact is there have been countless "clues" if you will, and the funny thing is that over the years I've had a number of clips on Youtube yet no one stumbled across them till now. As I said previously, I have no intention to promote or advertise my stuff here, the only reason I occasionally have a video up is to share with some long-distance friends and acquaintances. But, should anyone see it, it is a public video and you can certainly share/discuss/whatever about it--it was my choice to put it up, so no worries. I'm glad people seem to have enjoyed it.

On a lighter note, I'm surprised no one has picked up on some of the background voices and people in my video, or where the clip was filmed specifically--mostly magic names though so I can understand, given this forum. I'll leave that to the lot of you though. Jason is standing next to me in the beginning of the vid and the one telling me to "keep it down." Smile

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Z
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On 2007-12-09 18:17, Mr. Z wrote:

On a lighter note, I'm surprised no one has picked up on some of the background voices and people in my video, or where the clip was filmed specifically--mostly magic names though so I can understand, given this forum. I'll leave that to the lot of you though. Jason is standing next to me in the beginning of the vid and the one telling me to "keep it down." Smile

Best,

Z


I know where it was filmed, and who's voices are in the background...

;)

Mr. Z, it was as good as Shane raved it was. I really appreciate having the chance to see it. I would love to ask you something, privately, about something you did during the shuffle, if that's ok.

All the best,
Train
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On 2007-12-09 19:36, BenTrain (Nordatrax) wrote:
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On 2007-12-09 18:17, Mr. Z wrote:

On a lighter note, I'm surprised no one has picked up on some of the background voices and people in my video, or where the clip was filmed specifically--mostly magic names though so I can understand, given this forum. I'll leave that to the lot of you though. Jason is standing next to me in the beginning of the vid and the one telling me to "keep it down." Smile

Best,

Z


I know where it was filmed, and who's voices are in the background...

;)

Mr. Z, it was as good as Shane raved it was. I really appreciate having the chance to see it. I would love to ask you something, privately, about something you did during the shuffle, if that's ok.

All the best,
Train


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I hate these GAME PROTECTION GUYS. Look at Forte there: Shows nothing to Doc that Doc doesn’t already know. I bet he learnt something from Doc though so he could use it to PROTECT more games.

I am confident Doc would agree when he really thinks about it all.

These GAME PROTECTION guys probably never teach anything but GAME PROTECTION as it is probably something to do with the law. They just let cheats think they are going to learn something and some go away thinking they have learnt but they have not really. They never actually teach anything on their GAME PROTECTION publications you will notice.
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If I had footage of work actually being put down on a game I would burn it. I mean really, why would you want to keep evidence like that? What do you want to do with it: Star on Americas dumbest crooks or what? Smile
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In my opinion, which matters not, if someone is asked not to show something-they should not. Its just that simple, however I don't know any of the "main" players here. This thread has gone from an interesting topic into yet another war like we have had many times before. I have been suprised at the level of hate that has been written by people I wouldnt have expected it from. All the name calling and such has only lowered my respect for certain members in this forum.

While it is true that many of us come here to read and learn from others, certainly DOC, it seems that here, he is in the wrong. I don't wish to get on his bad side, but I have noticed that he has become the "goto" guy on this forum. Might that postition have gone to his head? just a question. (hope you still let me view the videos, doc. its just my opinion...)

As was alluded to earlier, steve appears to be in an tough spot now, so he might be best left out of this.

oh and by the way, GREAT work mr.z


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If all we cheats are happy to film ourselves in the act, then what on earth will they do with all them Eye in Sky CCTV’s as they will all become redundant.
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One day people like Doc are going to pack up and move out of places like here , mainly due to **** like this, and stop telling anything at all. Then you'll be sorry.

McDermott.
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No. You're the one who'll be sorry. No more freebies.
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On 2007-12-10 02:45, Mcdermott wrote:
One day people like Doc are going to pack up and move out of places...and stop telling anything at all.


What exactly DOES he tell? I don't remember ever reading anything mind-bending in any of his posts.

Perhaps I skipped a post or two somewhere along the way?

And, by the way, DOC will never leave this place.

He needs the attention.

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On 2007-12-10 08:18, card cheat wrote:

What exactly DOES he tell? I don't remember ever reading anything mind-bending in any of his posts.

Perhaps I skipped a post or two somewhere along the way?



If you haven't learned anything good from Doc that speaks more of who's doing the reading than who's doing the writing.

I hope never Doc never leaves this place, although I certainly would understand if he did. He's good to many, even if he sometimes is the subject of controversy.
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I'd suggest that much of this discussion may be a personal discussion between Jason, Doc, and Z......maybe a couple more folks.

If other posters avoid getting too involved, and fanning flames that really aren't theirs to fan, the forum will likely survive with its present cast of characters intact.

Talking about posting videos and "ethics" is fine....but this really isn't about ethics, it's about trust. That makes it difficult for outsiders to contribute anything of real value, myself included (although this post is just an attempt to chill things down a bit for my own reading enjoyment).

IMHO, much of the conversation is best left to those personally involved in it.

Maybe a hiatus on the rhetoric, with the serious personal stuff moved to PM's.

...............and then back to cards and dice.

Just an idea.
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Correct Silver.

The road to hell is paved with good intention. The “real issue” is a private matter and my advice is to use Private Messages, for the sake of all interested parties.
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Silver and Tommy, I suppose you're both right. But for me and my purposes, I learn more from these fights than anything else.

Oh, and Mr. Z.: BEAUTIFUL work!
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Smile The "real issue" is in the case.
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