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I speculate here and say I don’t think Jason would tell you lies, but he might not know what the truth is, and might be just telling you what he has been told. I think the truth is, they *now* do not want these films shown of them in public, because the prosecution might see them, and actually use them to undermine the defence at the forthcoming trail. Hasn’t that possibility occurred to you Doc?
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Tommy I respect what you just said and I understand the circumstances you've just mentioned but why are they screaming the names from the roof top if this is true and I'm not saying that it's not? Isn't silence golden in this situation?

Even though this might sound strange to some, I'm positive proof that you have to deal with real cheats in some way or another in order to get information in order to help protect the casinos of which I thought that they knew he was doing but in his own way. He does it for the public by consulting, making videos and writing books and I do it for this forum by guiding them in the right direction so they won't get themselves killed by believing lies told by magicians who want to get or stay ahead.

How can Steve learn and teach the public if he can't get his hands dirty? I'm getting mine dirty to help the members here at this forum and the police here is always on my case even though I'm trying to do right. What I don't understand is that our society have deep-cover operatives for each and everything they do; why not the casinos?

Steve to me was nothing but a deep-cover operative working on his own and no matter what anyone says, his books, videos, knowledge about things and his consulting to many a casinos...proves it.

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They scream the names because they “think” wrongly the objection is just about you showing a film that you had no permission to show. I believe you did have permission. They believe what they were told though. They therefore see no harm in telling the world who it was. So they “think. But it does not really matter whatever the truth is.
I agree with what you say about Steve having to see cheats but a Jury might not. They might wonder why he is teaching a cheat rather than just observing. Bear in mind juries have not got the brains to get off jury service. It boils down to its best not to show them at least until the case is over. I think but it is up to you. I think they are super paranoid but I would be to if I was in their shoes. That is why I think the whole thread should be deleted. I don’t think any of us should even mention his name for while and find something else to talk about. I think that would be better for all of us. I know he is innocent but these Vipes (prosecutors) are experts at twisting things. I know as I have faced them often enough.
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I see a lot of sugar coating over a very simple situation. You can justify yourself all day long, but everything boils down to one word.

Respect.

You either have it for S or you don't. Here are the facts.

1. Doc films S.
2. Miscommunication between Doc and S about showing the video.
3. Doc shows S on youtube (justifying that the secrets are not being exposed).
4. Doc finds out that S is not happy about ANY video of him being on the internet.
5. Doc removes video.
6. S is okay.
7. Doc continues to post video of S with more justification.
8. S is not okay.

You can fill in the gaps all day long, but these are the facts as I see them. If S was my friend, I'd say... "Sorry about the misunderstanding, won't happen again." I would say this out of respect for him. But I just want to say this...

Doc,

I understand that...

You are a grown man.
You are playing by the rules that we originally stated.
You can post the videos on youtube without thier permission.
You don't care what S thinks of you.

...but I ask you kindly that instead of going around in circles that we try moving forward by either...

A. Stop posting videos of S all together.
B. Ask S if you can share the videos privatley with close friends.

You don't HAVE to do either A or B...but I just ask if you may consider them. If you choose to do neither, then Jason has every right to post his concerns about a friend just as much as you have the right to post video. I don't want to talk about you not naming the person as S, or Jason publicly naming S, etc.. These just cloud the basic issue and the orginal point...

S does not like the videos publicy shown (both teaching or demonstrating)

At the end of the day, you can do what you want. I am not here to make enemies or preach how what you are doing is wrong. I simply have an opinion, take it or leave it...

The echoe in here is annoying and childish (I apologize to all for adding to it!).


Best,

Grant
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Well said, Grant.

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The only person that knows the facts, who is here, is Doc.
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Tommy,

You are right, I should not have used the words 'facts' but rather 'general observations'.

Best,

Grant
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Well what do you know?
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It seems to me that everybody (regardless of "sides") who repeatedly posts ONE specific name over and over again isn't doing him any favors until his present troubles are over and done with.

It doesn't matter which side you're on!

A court could certainly reference anonymous posts made here........BUT....not everybody here is anonymous, which makes what SOME write here far more prone to be used no differently than a written paper letter would be.

I don't want to debate the legality of using material from an internet forum in a court of law, but really.....why take the chance?

Worth thinking about?........probably.
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It would be astonishing if they discovered anything of substance here. I have been looking for years and found nothing.

:)
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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Quote:
On 2007-12-17 19:47, tommy wrote:
It would be astonishing if they discovered anything of substance here. I have been looking for years and found nothing.

:)

The coffee I had in my mouth is now on my shirt Tommy, thanks.
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