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Hi everybody,

This is a routine I use to open a memory deck set of table magic. The routine is Simon Aronson's brilliant 'Prior Commitment' which has been adapted by myself for mem deck use. (I have borrowed some of Simon's patter lines.) At the end of the trick the deck is set in full Aronson Stack order. For those familiar with the stack just check out the face up spread at the end of the effect to see for yourself.

2 points.

1.) In a performance situation the spectators would get to make the 2 cuts in order to select the cards.

2) This does not set from a shuffled deck. The cards are in a pre set sequence at the beginning but the actions of the trick bring the deck to AS order.

Hope you like it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wLhQEmFEdv4

Does anybody else have a trick which sets a memorised stack up ? If so I would love to hear about it.

If anyone is interested in hearing about my other ideas for Aronson Stack then let me know.

Andy
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Nice, I like it. I'm just getting into Aronson's material, so much appreciated.
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It's not a trick, but for a great shuffle to begin your work with the Aronson Stack (or any stack) check out the False-False Shuffle in the book: Stack Attack by L.R. Brooks. Here's the link:
https://loomismagic.com/item3479.htm

This is a genuine shuffle in a sense, because the order of the cards are changed. But you've prepared for it in advance and when you are done your stack is in order.

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Well done.
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Jennings,

In all honesty I think you ought to start a column or a blog or something related specifically to stacked decks. From the contributions you've made at MVD in the past I know your knowledge on the subject isn't limited to the AS.
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Jennings,
I second the suggestion of erlandish. We'd love to have more of your great thinking re: Aronson Stack.

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Jennings,

Just out of curiosity, where does your table set goes from here? Care to tell us the other effects you do?

This is a wonderful opening, all of the dealing while reversing the cards, the cutting, etc., really dispels the notion that the deck could be set. And the initial faro shuffle certainly helps as well.

Do you always end with the Eight of Diamonds on the bottom? I note that the action of double undercutting two cards from top to bottom puts you in position to do Simon's Stud Poker Demonstration, from which you can go right into his 10 card poker deal and then his Draw poker routine.

Do you have some "work" in the deck to allow you to get back "home?"

All the best, and thanks for sharing this. Has anyone told you they have worked out the starting stack? It's really hard to backtrack, and the cuts to two of the packets before you reassemble the deck and then reveal the climax on the Joker's backs suggest some other "work" as well. Or, are you sight counting to a particular location.

At any rate, this is a wonderful routine.

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On 2007-12-07 18:47, jennings wrote:

If anyone is interested in hearing about my other ideas for Aronson Stack then let me know.



Hi Andy,

thanks for sharing the video. That's wonderful routine, and I like it very much. And I'm also interested about ideas for Aronson Stack..
thanks

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On 2007-12-07 18:47, jennings wrote:
Does anybody else have a trick which sets a memorised stack up ? If so I would love to hear about it.


Denis Behr uses a variation of "The Tantalizer" from Royal Road to Card Magic to either open a set using a memorized deck, or very early on. This is explained, sources fully documented, in his book Handcrafted Card Magic. The effect, for those who do not remember, basically involves dealing out the cards into two piles over and over again until a spectator has a super pile of 51 cards and the magician is left with a single card, the selection. You may have seen versions by Lennart Green and/or Darwin Ortiz. I always thought Ortiz was a little crazy to DESTROY a stack performing this trick (his version is called "Maximum Risk"), but he must obviously think it is strong enough to do so.
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Hi Dennis and everyone else who has commented on this thread. To answer some of the questions raised by Dennis .............

Work in the deck. I use 2 breather crimps. One at 26(QH) and 1 at 52(9D). The 2 cuts made on the individual packets at the end of my handling of Prior Commitment are made on these 2 breathers.

Due to the original possitioning of the jokers my handling of Prior Commitment always delivers the 8D to the bottom of the deck. By simply turning the deck face down you have the 6 cards which spell directly from the top of Aronson Stack available. I usually do Scott Cram's handling of the cut deeper force and give the spectator a choice of the top 6 face down cards while at the same time reordering the remainder of the stack. Then false shuffle and cut returning the 9D to the bottom and you can immediately spell the chosen card. I do the spell face up to preserve the stack.

After Prior Commitment my order of memory deck effects usually goes something like this;

Two Beginnings. (Aronson, 'Try The Impossible' 2000)

Aces In The Hallway (Andy Hall (Unpublished) 2006)

The Bluff Ace Assembly (Marlo, Marlo's Magazine 1960s ?)

Aronson V Marlo V Piacente (Aronson, Marlo, Piacente, Hall. 'Expert Card Magic Lecture Notes vol 1' (2004), Faro Controlled Miracles 1960s ?, Try The Impossible (2000)

The Invisible Card (Aronson, 'Try The Imnpossible' 2000)

Randon Sample Shuffle Bored (Aronson, 'The Impossible Magic Of Simon Aronson DVD volume 3' 2006)

That usually gives me 25 minutes of material which is more than enough for an exclusively based card set. The nice thing is you can top and tail the set depending on the audience. For example for those not familiar with gambling technique I would loose the gambling routine. For the right kind of audience I may close with Everybody's Lazy. (Arguably the best mem deck trick of all time.)

The ace production routine is basically a spelling to the aces trick. Simon Aronson has an effect in Try The Impossible called 'Aces Awry' where the aces are produced by spelling. While this is a nice trick (and one I performed for a while)I did not like the underhand dealing method or that some aces had to be spelt in the singular while another had to spelt in the plural. The last ace being spelt as 'ACE' also put me off. So I came up with my own ace spelling routine that leaves the 4 aces out of the deck and the rest of the stack in order. The aces are all spelt in the plural and all the dealing is done in the standard fashion with cards being dealt face down from the top of the deck on to the mat into a pile.

My next problem was to get the aces back into the deck in an apparently regular manner. So I came up with a handling of Ed Marlo's Bluff Ace Assembly to do just that ! A video paints a hundred million words so take a look at this youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZuR2DJcamY

At the end of the routine the deck is back in full AS order. I showed this to Simon Aronson and he liked it but did say he considered it a bit 'movey' ! I'm not sure I agree with him but I take his comments very seriously indeed ! The cards chosen for the trick, the deal and the counts all set the cards for the final gather up to restore the deck to order.

My gambling routine using the Aronson Stack can be found here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6QlsXhZW6g

The introduction pretty much sums up the routine.

If anyone is interested in seeing my Ace Production I will do a write up and post it here.

I will leave things at that for the moment save to say that I have a few other ionteresting ideas on Aronson Stack paticualry in relation to the placement of the 4 Jacks within the deck and routines which can be done with them after they have been produced.

A special word for Dennis. I have read every one of your mem deck articles and have found them very useful. You deserve more credit that you get in this field of card magic and I respect you greatly.

All the best for now.

ANDY
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To Andy,
Thanks so much for the kind words. I'm "out the door" to do a show in Citrus Heights and then visit some magic friends, but soon I'll take the time to watch the new youtube videos.

Thanks for this listing of the effects you use. I plan to study it carefully.

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Very nice gambling routine Andy! Your work with the AS is very nice!
The one question / suggestion I have: In the middle of the routine, after you have spectator 1 name a number (47), you have spectator 2 cut "more than half" the cards. You "estimate" how many cards he cut, and count to the 47th card, but never show that your estimate of the number of cut cards was correct. My suggestion would be to continue the deal to the end, but dealing the 47th card face-down. This way you show your estimate was correct (climax 1), and then go back to reveal the 47th card correct as the kicker.
Very nice job though, overall. I loved the Lennart Green stuff as a good convincer of the cards messed up, and it fits in well with the patter of the routine.
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Andy,

I think your routine ideas for the Aronson stack are great. I would love to see what you've done with your ace production. Have a great day.
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Andy,

Thanks for posting your stuff here. Always nice to see your work.
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What is the original order before the faro etc.?
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To set up for Aronson Stack Prior Commitment. Crimp the 26th (QH) and 52nd card (9D). Leave cards 1 to 9 in order and set aside as packet 1. Reverse the order of cards 10 to 26 and set aside as packet 2. Reverse the order of cards 27 to 52 and set aside as packet 3. Place a face up joker with 43 on the back on top of packet 3. Drop packet 2 on top of packet 3. Place a face up joker with 17 on the back on top of packet 2. Place packet 1 on top. You are now set to go. To get to a possition where you can just faro the deck before you begin just do an in the hands anti faro by down jogging the first face card on the deck. (5D) At the end strip out the upper packet which will have the 7C at the face and slap this packet on top of the deck. Case the deck. When you are ready to begin just cut the deck at the 7C and out faro it into the lower packet.

Hi Stax. I will try and do a private video of my ace spelling routine and post it somewhere so those who are interested can look at it. leave it with me for a few days.
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Thanks for sharing that with us Andy. Very generous of you.
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Hi Andy,

Sounds great. Can't wait to see it! Thanks for sharing your Prior Commitment set up. Very nice.
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Hello again,

For those who wish to see 'Aronson Stack Prior Commitment' performed you can see it here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wLhQEmFEdv4
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