Here is another one of Jasons great posts from a previous page. It may help shed some light why certain people are going out of their way to make this effect look bad:

Not Intirely Correct Killer Vampire.
Does that make sense to anyone?

Coin flow is awesome, Dan these effects are so great you should own the rights to all bottle tricks past and present. I got this killer one with an ungimmicked signed raisin that melts through a sealed bottle, did I mention that it can be a borrowed raisin.

I have enjoyed Flow, the gimmick easily fits into a close up case or a pocket therefore making it practical.
Yes there is a little set up but so is there with other effects.

The questions are, is the effect worth it, are the reactions strong? Well the answers to those questions will differ from performer to performer but in my experience the effect is worth it, you are altering the laws of physics and not doing another card trick, coins across or vanishing hanky..

The reactions are great, you are doing something totally different, something they can look at inches away, you don't handle the bottle and in the right environment will astound even the hardest sceptic.

Imagine if you will that you are in a corridor, doors either side of you, one doorway leads to a guy doing great cards tricks, the other leads to a guy controlling physics and suspending water without going near a bottle upturned by a spectator.. Which room would you go in?

MS

Floating card effects defy the laws of gravity too!



Raisin?

Yes I know it's pretty unbelievable, but it can be a completely ungimmicked signed borrowed raisin. I have been told from others who are testing the method that it will work with walnuts, but I do think it can be a borrowed walnut.

As Marc Spelmann said what room would you go in, someone who performes great card tricks or someone whos controlling physics and suspending water without going near a bottle.

Its great to do something different, almost everyone has seen card tricks and they knows that it is just tricks, while it its entertaining its not as amazing as controlling physics.

Personally, since Supercooling and the Snow Bonus here both require preparation, I'd stick with the old supercooling method if I was to do any kind of trans effect of this type. I don't see why I would resort to gimmicks on top of prep for something like that.
Plus, you can safely drink from the bottle with supercooling proving it really is ice which truly is the 'icing' on the cake.

From what I know of the supercooling effect, it is very iffy and conditions have to be really perfect to make this happen with any consistent results. Snow Flow works all the time!

Best,
Jason Messina
The Astonishment Project

Well from what I understand you can't consume snow flow, can you?
If it's not real ice, it's just something that wouldn't peak my interest to use on a person.
Working tending bar, people are drinking. On a hot summer day, I'd also like to produce something that would benefit my audience when I can.

In my magic routines when I claim I can do something, I really want to do it.
If I say POW it's ice, I want ice to appear, not anything else.
The spectator can even taste the beverage BEFORE you magically make it transform with the classic supercooling.

What I do works great! You see, feel, and even TASTE everything.
It's fairly simply.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1lH-8-K3zUk&feature=related
No gimmicks to buy, Real Ice!

Nothing extra to buy and the audience members can enjoy the cool beverage you just produced right before their eyes, slowly.

Can't see how snow flow would work all the time considering the limitations (heat, leakage, etc).
Nothing like the real thing if you ask me and it works great with plastic bottles easily too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZehdMtgk-yQ

Man, I put a little yellow food coloring in the snow powder just so they won't be tempted to eat the snow...

Supercooling is great! The small gimmick (a freezer) fits right in your back pocket and suprisingly takes up very little pocket space! I also love the short amount of prep time this takes! The 3-5 hrs at just the right tempurature with perfect timing flys by. I can actually set this up right in front of a spectator with the right misdirection!

But really, it is a great effect that if you are in the right place with access to a freezer and 3-5 hours to prep for it then go for it. And while it would be great for them to taste the beer/water after its frozen inside the bottle, the fact that its frozen inside the bottle makes this very difficult if not impossible! Unless I want to wait another hour for it to thaw out, in which case you have all the time in the world to switch the bottle for a "drinkable" one.

I personally feel that the effect is over once the liquid is seen to freeze, and Snow Flow provides that with a practical method that can be done anywhere at anytime. Keep in mind that this is only a bonus effect that doesn't even scratch the surface of what is possible with the flow principle.

From what I read a page or two back that is exactly what is suggested to do in the dvd.
If you are going to use a freezer, no need for artifical gimmicks, escpecially ones containg toxins in restaurants where you eat and drink food that eventually gets digested.
I would never use any trace of any toxin in a public eatery ever.

And by the way, simple supercooling doesn't take an hour to thaw.
Actually it creates a natural slush.



I know you are joking here.
That would be even another unessecary gimmick added to produce something artifical.
I definitely would not go that route. The idea of going somewhere to prep a bottle (especially a bathroom) then coming out with liquid in the bottle is strange enough, for it to be yellow too, umm no.

Something artifical versus something genuine is a no brainer for me.
I didn't like how the girl in the video just dumped the fake snow on the street.
Real ice evaporates, but a substance like that that just sits there in globs could very well cost you a ticket for littering in some townships.

Robertson,

Anytime you are relying on gimmicks, and in this case two gimmicks you are not doing an anytime/anywhere effect.

This clearly is not 100% impromptu.

Can the gimmick made by our own?

Hell no

I am from germany. it is always a pain to get refills for certain things, notonly because the name is different so salesmen often don't know what I want ( I still need rubber cement which noone knows what it is) and for the flow effect I'd love to get 3 or 4 "packs" of the gimmick that I do not need to rebuy them in near future. maybe even 5 packets. would you be so nice offering the exact stuff you are using for flow as refills? if not which would be really a pitty. is any user so nice and would buy me a bunch of them and send them to me to germany? I would pay with paypal.

thanks so much,

Markus

Noone?

Well...I have found the gimmick in many convenience stores in the U.S. I am also sure you will have no problem finding it in Germany. Go ahead and purchase Flow and enjoy. Just be careful with the chemicals. Though, please PM me if you have any questions.

I don't need to purchase it anymore. I just need refills that's all. and you can believe me when I say its hard as hell to find certain refills in germany. like is said I still have not found rubber cement. so I am not sure wehather I will find the gimmick for flow here. I am also unsure if there is any difference in terms of qulaity and strength of the gimmick. if one brand holds better than the other. you know what I mean? and of course I will need clear stuff and not colored one.
that's why I asked if the makers will offer the exact stuff as refills. and it should only cost 2-3 dollar I think. I would highly appricate that. though it seems the makers won't have a look in here anymore