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dragonmagic New user 37 Posts |
i like the richard kuafmen hit lift never place the card but flip it.
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samthemagical New user Grand Rapids, MI 90 Posts |
In a flourishy situation, I will grab w/ thumb and middle finger at opposite corners, and pick up the double with my thumb, lit. one card at a time. Then, I flip the DL over with my index, and the gap closes between the two. From there it is easy to go straight to tossing it. Obviously, a flourish! But nice when that's what you want.
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Ron Giesecke Special user Redding, Ca. 947 Posts |
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On 2003-02-27 13:39, gandolf wrote: gandolf, You have no idea what this man is capable of. He has waxed poetic more than once in another forum, and I'll tell you, the man packs a punch! Some of his sage ventures are as rich in double and triple-layering as some decadent bundt cake with a cream-cheese center. (I'll shut up now, Lance) --Ron |
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Lance Pierce Special user 878 Posts |
Decadent bundt cake with a cream-cheese center? Man, I gained three pounds just reading your post!
Well, thanks, Ron, and in return, may I sincerely say that I also enjoy your posts very much, partly because of your engaging use of metaphors and partly because you always have something interesting to say (even when you're not praising me ). Metaphors be with you. Cheers! Lance |
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jasonchr Regular user North Carolina 173 Posts |
I will concur with what some of the others have said and recommend you look into a push-off or similar dl. It would be very hard to match the naturalness of those type of lifts. You can find a very good description in the Card College series.
Jason C. Mauney
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martin1025 Regular user 170 Posts |
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Darwin thinkss this of the piky count "When properly performed, the pinky count is imperceptible unless the spectator is burning the inner left corner of the deck at the moment you do it." Now, Darwin uses sometimes covers because it makes it even more deceptive but it not necessary if you have a good technique. Plus what layman does burn just the inner left corner? Quote:
I do not think mine is but I think it will definately go by a spectator; it will be invisible for them. BTW I do use a cover to do doubles because I don't want to even give them a little hint (like Darwin) but it's not absolutely necessary. I point at the card as my cover. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te28G5PE9GU I have never have nor I think I will ever hear "hey man, I saw that corner in the deck move a litte you are counting them with your pinky!" A layman doesn't even think it's possible to do such a thing. In addition, like Steven said there might be cardmen who are able to do it completely invisible. If a person like me who doesn't have a complete hand can do it in that manner don't you think there are people who can do it much much better? |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Martin1025-
I know it seems like a minor nuance, but the second one is better (to me, anyway). It's more than just the covering with the fingerpoint that helps. When people pinky-count, the hand holding the deck usually looks just a bit tense. The fingerpoint (presumably combined with patter) gives us something to focus on that can misdirect us away from that tension. Whether or not it's necessary I think is going to boil down to whether or not you think it's necessary to do the most deceptive technique possible.
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Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts |
I haven't used a get ready for decades. I use a two card push-off that I learned from a Martin Nash book in the 1970's. It takes a few years to become really proficient at it, but it is well worth the practice time.
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kentfgunn Inner circle Merritt Island FL 1639 Posts |
Hi Andrew, Glenn, et. al.
I try not to respond on the card threads, really I do. When two folks I've had multiple conversations with post sequentially, I feel required to do a double response. A - I've also seen pinky-counters tense-up. I think we tend to remember the negative, as magicians, in the performances of others. The guys you saw do a get-ready with their little fingers who did it well didn't register. When the get-ready, pinky driven or not, has been analyzed by the performer and done within the context of a bigger motion or with the hand, at rest, by his side, it will not and cannot be seen. G - I learned that same technique as a kid, from the same book. I never got it to work consistantly. I abandoned it for a very similar bit from the big Dingle book. I appreciate the arcane reference. I want to pull out the Nash book right now, but I'm out of town. I'll find it tomorrow at home. Overall - I think a bad DL can be learned quickly and often get a newbie through many performances. It's super-usefulness means anyone with a few card tricks up their sleeve knows the sleight. We're hyper-sensitive to the bad ones. If that move, like all others is routined with thought and rehearsed into the overall performance, it will not raise up as a sore thumb. I found the technique I was using the most, (from the Stars of Magic, Ambitious Card write-up), actually looked lousy in my hands, via video self-evaluation. Gotta tape what you do and look at it with the most critical eye you have. Perhaps we'd all see a lousy double lift?!?!? KG |
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frimuraren12 New user 69 Posts |
I think either the pinky count, or just push of two cards and get a break. With practice you can make the push off very smal, and if you cant get missdirection for either a pinky count or a push off get ready, well you have some big problems and you should study and learn some missdirection.
I really HATE strike DL´s, I have seen some people who are supposed to be good at it, and even then they don't look as natural as a get ready DL, its always some extra tenssion and focus added to the cards when you get the double, with a break you can just go in and flip the cards over. Before the card is flipped over its not important, but if you draw extra attention to it it wil become important in the spectators minds. |
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Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts |
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On 2010-05-17 11:50, kentfgunn wrote: Hi Kent. It's always nice to run into you. I practiced that Nash knockout push-off for countless hours for many years. I found that in the process of reaching for perfection, I automatically made a few personal adjustments over time. For instance, I initially pushed of with the center of my thumb, but gradually I began to angle the thumb a little to take advantage of a slight callous that was the result of all my practice. So, now I push off with about 1/8" of flesh just under the left front of my thumb nail. My slight callous makes it very precise. I devoted so much time to perfecting this slight because I was convinced that the DL was (and is) the most important move a card man makes...so much depends on a good fast, consistent, and illusionistic DL. I can think of several prominent magicians who did amazing things, but I felt that their strike DL was an awkward give-away. J.B. Bobo was one and there are others I won't mention. I also worked a lot on pinkie counts, but the problem is, as you say, inherent tension and , most of all , time. The beauty of the Nash push-off DL is that there is no interuption of time flow...you just push a card over and turn it up. So, I have probably worked on the DL more than any other move in magic. I figure that, with a really good DL , a really good Elmsley, and and few good false shuffles, you have a huge repertory of wonderful magic at your disposal. Best regards, Glenn Godsey |
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TCB Loyal user I am so happy to be promoted because of my 210 Posts |
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On May 18, 2010, Glenn Godsey wrote: Where is the Nash method found?
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
The Knock-Out Double Lift can be found in Stephen Minch's Ever So Sleightly ~ The Professional Card Technique of Martin A. Nash.
And, don't overlook Nash's replacements.
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ScottieKrause New user Houston 51 Posts |
Honestly I do a simple Vernon turnover with a spread and OJ as a GR. If that doesn't make sense you can pm for details.
The pinky count is a bit rough for me due to chronic tendonitus in both wrists, from too many years as a batista DOH! |
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Pepsi Twist New user Bexhill UK 72 Posts |
I prefer to not use a get ready, the double push off is by far my favourite, but if I'm not feeling on form a strike is fine (You can make it look like you're pushing the cards so it really doesn't have to be THAT bad). It's just a case of trying out all you can and seeing what works best for you
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TCB Loyal user I am so happy to be promoted because of my 210 Posts |
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On Dec 19, 2014, Pepsi Twist wrote: Unless there's somebody really burning your hands, any method, anyway you want to do it, that turns over two cards as one will work. For instance I can do a classic pass right under most spectators noses with no misdirection at all. They have no idea what just happened.
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MRSharpe Special user Never a dull moment with 940 Posts |
No GR is the best. I learned my method--or rather the method I employ--initially from Expert Card Technique:Close Up Table Magic and added some embellishments I have never seen anyone else do.
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Cameron Roat Special user Michigan 728 Posts |
MRSharpe,
I've been waiting to see if anybody else used that technique (if you're talking about the one I'm thinking of, "The Lift Get-Ready," in the first few pages of Expert Card Technique). I learned it from Ron Bauer's "Mechanical Deck," in his Private Studies Series. RB refined the technique, and turned it into an invisible get-ready that looks like you're simply bringing the deck to the fingertips and squaring the ends. By the way, "Mechanical Deck" also contains the clearest and most thorough published description of the Finley-Vernon Double Turnover. The original explanation in Stars of Magic is not completely clear, and contains a misleading photograph. But RB learned the technique from Vernon himself, and explains it in full detail. |
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
If I snap my fingers, both jokers JUMP to the top of the deck!
Yup, there they , DO NOT SHOW THEM and place back on top of course getting a break is almost automatic. The hard part is getting them back to the bottom. And they magically change... Rotate over and you can still maintain the pinkie break. |
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