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Kyle^Ravin
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Hey guys, I know this topic MAY be a little short, but What are your preferences? Using a dove vest or sewing on the pockets? Do share and include the pros and cons you think there are...Cheers guys!
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Try doing a search here on the Café. As this question has been asked in the past. Get Tony Clark's Behind The Seams DVD.

Really it comes down to your personal preference.

If you are just starting out and not "set in your ways" I think the vest is a great choice. You can use a jacket from any store shelf. You will still need to do some work. But I think this would be more cost effective. Than having a custom jacket made by a designer or seamstress.

However, keep in mind that the vest pockets are in a fixed (non-moving) location. That's one of the advantages to having them sew into the jacket. You are able to reposition them how ever you want or your effects need. One more Pro to the vest is that it creates less pull on the jacket. Making your steals much more invisible.
with some ingenuity you can do the same without a vest.

There is a lot more I can tell you. Do a search and I'm sure it has already been said before.
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Although we have some costumes with the pockets permanently sewn in, we often just safety pin in the pockets. This allows us to use whatever jacket from blazer to suit to whatever depending on the type of show we're asked to do.

All the best,

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Great suggestion!

You also can use the strong Velcro. This way you can move them around with out having a tailor. It also makes it really easy to clean you jacket. You don't have to worry about the pockets getting damaged during cleaning.

The possibilities are endless if you think about it. Let your imagination run wild.
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I agree with Rob. For the last three decades or so, I have preferred pinned in pockets. (This way I am not exposing my act to the people at the dry cleaners either.)

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Like Bob, I do the same...Pinned in. When going to the cleaners, its easy to just take them out. The only thing they look at me strange for is the tails. having them pinned also allows for the weight gain *haha* readjustment is easy.

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I have my pockets sewn in. I'm fortunate enough to have a tailor and a cleaner who are both very familiar with magicians and their secrets so leaving the pockets in poses no threat of exposure. I even leave my lit match gimmicks under my lapels. I'm getting to old too play with repositioning everything each time I get my suit cleaned or adjusted.
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You're not getting old Dave, just getting wiser. What gets old is the repositioning *haha*. If you make a little line inside the jacket (referring to pinning pockets), where the top of the pockets are lined up with a marker (they make them for cloths), putting them back in is as simple as placing the top of the pocket across that line. Tedious work, but in the long run it saves a lot of work.
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"Cause my Home's in Alabama" using dry cleaners is a special experience. When you go to pick up your cleaning, the employees in the store say, "Here's the guy for the tux!"

What I need is a wand rack in the truck window!

Black safety pins cause enough questions. Wait until they tell you, "The side stripe was coming loose on your pants leg but we fixed it."

Another reason for pinning in pockets is because a dove is only 5 ounces. Sometimes "product placement" (especially containers of liquid refreshments) adds a lot of weight. Creative pinning saves exposure in a saggy coat. You also learn to not take the pistol out of the right coat pocket until the bottles of beer have been produced from the left side of the coat.

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One "con" of using a vest (and this is purely subjective) is you probably can't attach your loops to the jacket. Any large movement with your arms will pull the jacket away from the body, pulling the loops away too, and possibly (and probably) detaching them from your loop holders. Use of a vest = connecting loops to the vest...which works for some people, but not others.
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It doesn't matter if my costume is white tie or black tie, there is always a vest!

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The Vest is very nice as you 'almost' don't see any flick of the jacket after a production. Of course a 'strengthener' in a jacket as explained on Tony Clarkes dvds also helps prevent this on a jacket. An advantage of using the jacket is that if you are performing a 30 minute show for example and have only a 5 minute dove intro, you could take your jacket off if you were getting into an illusion for example. If using the vest you would have to leave the jacket on to prevent exposure.

So really I think both have their pros and cons so really it comes down to personal preference and the layout of your act.
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