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mmreed
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Being new to magic, I want to start networking and join an organization.

The two main being SAM and IBM.

I am wondering what the consensus is on which is better for a new magician based in the US?

I have a feeling there are pros and cons to each, but would rather hear from the community first hand rather than try to decide based on each organizations marketing materials.
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Bob Johnston
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You would do best to visit each that is accessible to you. Each SAM or IBM can vary from location to location depending on member make-up.

You should visit each group to see what your comfort level is. The organizational philosophy that govern each organization is only half the story.

Bob
mmreed
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Well, the group in my area is a dual membership - they are both SAM and IBM. I would like to join the national org of one and am having a hard time knowing which is, not better, but rather more geared to the amatuer, upclose, magician. Do they each have thier own personality at the national level or are they basically clones offering the same basic perks?
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Both are fine organizations and many of us are members of both. Technically you are supposed to have two years in magic to join IBM, SAM doesn't have that requirement. To be honest the IBM does not hire an investigator to determine if you have been in magic two or more years. Both require you have a couple of members sign your application as recommenders. Flip a coin if you can only join one and have a dual membership club in your area. Both are geared to all magicians.
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Both are comparable. If you can afford it join both. Many folks in my area are members of both national organizations and a few are members of multiple local clubs. If you can only afford one, maybe take a look at the associated magazines and use that to determine which you might prefer. They both cover the same sorts of things, but have different personalities.

These organizations realize that new people are vital for their continued success and are very helpful to new folks, at least that's been my experience.
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Standard disclaimer: I'm just a hobbyist who enjoys occasionally mystifying friends and family, so my opinions should be viewed with this in mind.
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One of the local SAM rings here in the Bay area (#94) is getting Eugene Burger to lecture next month! That in and of itself is reason enough for me to join that organization over the IBM!
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mmreed
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Thanks all. I joined SAM.

Much appreciated!
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I am a member of both. I don't get involved in politics, so dual membership is great for me. Our club is a dual club. I enjoy both magazines.
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I wanted to attend and possibly join an IBM meeting in my area earleir this year, but was told that it was a closed meeting. I wiould have to basically audition to get in. As someone who is VERY new to magic, I am nowhere near the point where I could do a trick in public or audition. I was hoping to meet other people interestedin magic since none of my friends are.
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Focus on a fun trick or effect. Practice, practice, practice. You don't have to be a great magician to be a member of any of the clubs. If you are determined and truly interested, you'll get there.
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Julie
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Both organizations are worthwhile and odds are you'll wind-up eventually joining both.

The main variable is the monthly magazine. This is, of course, a matter of personal choice, but many would choose to receive the I.B.M.'s LINKING RING Magazine over the S.A.M.'s M.U.M. due to the LR's consistently relevant and practical content. There's rarely any "filler" material in the LINKING RING.

Now THIS should generate an interesting comment or two! Smile

Merry Christmas One and All.

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On 2007-12-20 14:51, photius wrote:
Both are fine organizations and many of us are members of both. Technically you are supposed to have two years in magic to join IBM, SAM doesn't have that requirement. To be honest the IBM does not hire an investigator to determine if you have been in magic two or more years. Both require you have a couple of members sign your application as recommenders. Flip a coin if you can only join one and have a dual membership club in your area. Both are geared to all magicians.

I'd go with SAM, IMHO..
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disneywld
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I like the new format of the SAM magazine, especially the color. It has changed quite a bit in the last 2 years.
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sieler
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Mmread, where are you located?

I'd check out both SAM and IBM ... their websites (www.magicsam.com and
http://www.magician.org, respectively) have links to let you find a local club
that's affiliated with them. I asked several professional magicians in
Las Vegas the same question last year, and the most common answer was "I belong
to both", with a few saying they happened to belong to IBM only, but no one
ever offered a reason for either Smile
Payne
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You could also try to find an unaffiliated club. I don't belong to either SAM or IBM and get along perfectly well in the magic world. From what I've seen both are basically a magazine subscription so if your debating between the two choose the one whose magazine you like the best, unless of course your local club is affiliated with one or the other. Then you'd moat likely want to join what ever group the club is affiliated with.
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If you can afford then both however in Phx here somtimes I wonder Which is better because of the politics Here the S.A.M tends to rely on lectures and not much else where the I.B.M does Both. Not trying to Cut either down but I would attend both and see which on suites you better. Both Nationaly are Great Orginazations (sp)!
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