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James Riser has put a picture of a set of cups on his website, due to come out in January. These are to replace his minis. These look very awesome and should be great for strolling or any occasion!
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Is that his cup that you have to pass a personality profile or be on a whos who list to purchase?
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Smile

...never seen someone so cocky. It's too bad cause he makes some neat looking stuff.

-todd
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Those look very nice.
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On 2007-12-24 18:26, lint wrote:
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...never seen someone so cocky. It's too bad cause he makes some neat looking stuff.

-todd

I wouldn't say James is cocky, more like eccentric. Most of us great thinkers are. I think it's totally his choice to determine who he wants to do business with. If more magic dealers/creators took his tact, we would probably have a lot less spectators privy to many great secrets.
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On 2007-12-24 18:26, lint wrote:
:lol:

...never seen someone so cocky. It's too bad cause he makes some neat looking stuff.

-todd

I wouldn't say James is cocky, more like eccentric. Most of us great thinkers are. I think it's totally his choice to determine who he wants to do business with. If more magic dealers/creators took his tact, we would probably have a lot less spectators privy to many great secrets.


I thought the point being made was not *that* he does it, but rather in what manner he lets the magic community know about his decision.
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I wouldn't say James is cocky, more like eccentric. Most of us great thinkers are. I think it's totally his choice to determine who he wants to do business with. If more magic dealers/creators took his tact, we would probably have a lot less spectators privy to many great secrets.


I should state I have never met him, and the written word often comes across different than a face to face meeting. I certainly don't apply tactfulness to the writings on his web page though, especially his so-called "musings". To those I can only apply classlessness and tasteless.

I have wanted to buy several of his cups in the past but I really like to "like" the craftsmen I buy from. Mr. Riser has all the right in the world to deal with who he wants and I am sure he doesn't need my money. The collector in me feels I need his cups, but the critic in me always gets in the way.

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I like buying stuff from people I like and people I know. I will certainly spend more money for an item from my usual source where I can talk to the owner than save a few bucks and buy from a mega-mart.

Who knows. Maybe they will tell me.. "You know what? Save your money this time." Maybe they won't. Saving a dollar each time and ending up with drawers full of crap is no way to save money.

Paying list price each time but ending up not buying one item in ten because you were told the item "stinks" DOES save you money.
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Regardless of how you feel James comes across in his web site, I have e-mailed him a number of times and he has always been very responsive and helpful. And equally important, I am new to Cups and Balls but he never made me feel that any of my questions were beneath him.
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I think if you look at it objectively, you can understand Mr. Riser's point of view. He has been ripped off several times after spending time and effort (and publishing on his site) his creations. In my book, he sets high standards and lives by them. He produces state-of-the-art work with exacting craftsmanship. Anyone who uses any of his cups or other apparatus will vouch for the quality he puts into his work. Everything is professional grade.

Is is wrong to want your work to be used properly by people who respect that work? If I produced that level of quality, I sure would want it to be used respectfully. And, I don't think he disdains novices at all. For example, he put out one of the best guides for selecting a set of C&Bs -- for free. Many times he has shown in detail how he spins cups (a good recent example is the Ramsay cups) -- a great resource if you are a novice in this area. Before he was kicked of the Café, he also freely gave lots of good advise to both amateurs and pros -- guidance you wouldn't easily get elsewhere. So what if he speaks directly. Frankly, I wish there were more in magic like him.
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My dealings with james has been very positive. he answered the many questions I had nicely, promptly. seemed pretty nice to me. I think he just does not want to be ripped off, and like some such as steve dusheck, don't feel the need to sell to every average joe with the money to buy.
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Right. I don't think anyone has said they have a problem with his policy, though.
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James Riser has always been very supportive of my efforts.

I understand his position.
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In my opinion James P. Riser is a Straight Shooter and deserves the utmost respect.

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I have never had a problem with James or his policy. it is his material to do with what he pleases.
Same for selling his stuff ....he can sell to whoever he wants to.
I as well totally understand his position.
Those new cups sure look great don't they?

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I have always found Jim Riser to be extremely helpful. He's a craftsman with a great deal of practical experience; he's always been happy to share his experience and offer advice when I've bought items from him.
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I should add Riser has always been helpful and gracious in my emails with him as well. Webpage just rubs me the wrong way though...oh well. guess it is just me Smile

Hope you all (including Riser!) had a great Christmas!
-todd
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Sure the cups look great, they have our don alan saddle on them. Amazing how selective we can be when others use another persons design when asked to stop. Helpful or not, Riser is using the design against our wishes. pfffft on Riser, straight shooter doesn't get it, more like BS artist. He wants to take our design, that's fine, as I've made perfectly clear, if this is ok for Jim, then it's tit for tat. saddles for cups.
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On 2007-12-27 12:12, Joshua Barrett wrote:
My dealings with james has been very positive. he answered the many questions I had nicely, promptly. seemed pretty nice to me. I think he just does not want to be ripped off, and like some such as steve dusheck, don't feel the need to sell to every average joe with the money to buy.


Well maybe Jim should practice what he preaches, stop using others designs when they request him to and he wouldn't be duped.

As far as Bill Sutters remark to being a straight shooter and utmost respect, the lines about my mother and his blog and other remarks are unprofessional and rude. He knows nothing about my family. Respect that? Nope. I don't need to pussyfoot around Riser and his BS.

If Riser is so respectable, why was he tossed off of here for violations? Oh Jim's special that's right.

New user here, 1st post a Riser support post, must be Mike Brazill.
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To be honest jake, I don't know whats going on with all of that, and its somthing I don't want to get in the middle of, if you can understand. there's to much comming from both directions to make any sense from all the heresay
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