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On page 189 of Jim Swain’s 2003 novel “Sucker Bet”, his protagonist Tony Valentine describes the Bubble Peek to his son. I found the description there a bit unclear, so I looked the Bubble Peek up in Roberto Giobbi’s “Card College”. It’s in Vol. 4, page 993. It’s a very nice peek for some purposes.
My question is this.
Swain uses the index finger as the pressure point, while Giobbi uses the second finger. I find the second finger is more natural for me, because of my regular dealing position.
Does anyone here use this peek, and if so, do you prefer the index or second finger? Is there a reason for the preference (other than, “that’s just the way I learned it”)
For instance do you feel that one way is better covered than the other?
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I actually do it with my thumb...

Could you give me a page reference to Giobbis?
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I use my thumb as well. I've found that this is a nice peek to use in the magic world for card effects involving multiple cards being returned to the deck in "different" places.

I'll hold the deck up at eye level in my left hand and the specs card in the right and whack the card in the right hand against the deck telling them not to forget their card and make me look like an idiot all while gathering a peek.

It's kind of stealthly I think.
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Hi Ben,
yes, it's on page 993 of Vol. 4, and yes, I use my thumb to push the card, but it butts up against (in my case) the second finger, which causes the "bubble" (buckle)
Jim swain's description uses the index finger as Giobbi uses the second finger.
Tian, your answer and Ben's both made me realize I wasn'r clear about what I was asking. I'm not questioning the "motive power", (thumb), I am asking about the fulcrum that the card buckles against.
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Ahhh.

Alright, makes much more sense now.

My index finger is curled around the front edge of the deck, with my second, third, and fourth finger along the side. The card, for me at least, butts against ALL the fingers, with the thumb pushing it on a slight angle, much like when doing a push-off second.

So, my answer is: everything but the index.
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Ok, fair enough. Is this (as in my case) just because this is your natural dealing position, ?
So far I'm thinking that the second (and only incidentally the third and fourth) fingers are the way most of us do it. I was mainly curious about Jim Swain's preference for the index finger, and if there was a particular reason for it. I find the placement of the index finger on the right side of the deck rather than the end a bit unusual.
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The only reason I can think of for using your index on the side is if Mr. Swain is using a miller type second in conjunction with the peek... or he's really old school and just prefers to hold the deck like that.

But, the simplest answer is one in the form of another question- why not just ask him?
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Ben,
I would, if I knew how. I don't recall ever seeing him post here, so I am not sure if he is a member or not, and a visit to http://jimswain.com doesn't help, as it appears to be a commercial site to promote his books and doesn't include an email address.
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If I'm not wrong in Phantoms Walter refers to it as Sniff Peak.
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I can't put my hands on my copy of "Phantoms" right now, but I'll take a look as soon as I remember where I put it, thanks
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Deck in Mechanic's Grip, so second finger for me, plus the index finger provides a few more degrees of coverage. I rarely use it though, preferring a Heel Peek.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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On 2007-12-31 06:21, rawdawg wrote:
Deck in Mechanic's Grip, so second finger for me, plus the index finger provides a few more degrees of coverage. I rarely use it though, preferring a Heel Peek.


Beat me to it. That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

Somewhere on YouTube is a video clip of some guy named Brian Tudor (I think he's a magician) and in this clip he butchers a bubble peek. If you were to do that in a game, just about ANY game, you most certainly would get nailed. Probably, right there on the spot. I'll see if I can find the clip.

The peek is supposed to occur naturally, and must be executed very quickly. The problem is in your eyes. Therefore, what you see should come to you as information by the time the peek is over and you have looked away from the deck. In other words, the peek must happen so quickly that your mind doesn't really have a chance to acknowledge the three of clubs that is scheduled to be the next burn card. Or that two aces are going to hit the flop if it is burned.

This is why going deep into the deck when peeking is a double edged sword. You can see three or four cards down, but it takes you longer to read them. With practice, ir can be done in a second, but still must be used prudently in a game. It is only trial by fire that can teach someone when and how to cheat, as well as how to play off of the information.

As far as which finger should apply resistance to the card(s) being buckled by the thumb during a peek, do what is most comfortable. Try to shade the peek best as possible, and also to move, or rearrange the fingers of your deck hand as little as possible before, during, and after the peek.

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Sniff is a shade for it another is counting notes. The shade is more impotant than which finger.
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Tommy,
That's where I am lucky. I don't plan on using this at the card table, but rather in magic. Because I will be able to construct a routine, I can build in my shade, rather than have to use it "under fire". Of course, being aware of the angles and the proper way to shade this will be useful for times when I get the opportunity to pull off something impromptu with it. Thanks1
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In magic, the most satisfying way to peek for me is to slighty touch the spectator to emphasize a point or position him/his hands for a trick. Peek while the deck is literally under his nose or behind his own hands. This works great for TT's also.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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Oh magic! Well magicians usually use the second finger so they can point at something as they do the peek. Sometimes magicians call it the push down peek.
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This move is done with the action of you wiping your nose (as you sniff).

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Thanks all and Happy New Year
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