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Hello everyone,
I have been a Café member for awhile, but I do not post that often, because I do not believe I often have anything worth contributing, and I want my posts to be valuable. In this case I have a question which I believe to be important.

I did a search of the Café and could not find anything on this topic. Is there any work for a close-up magician, either doing shows or preferably doing strolling in the restaurants or elsewhere? I would love to work on a cruise ship, but I am not interested in a doing a large show. Thank you for your responses, if all you have to offer is a link to a thread that I missed in my search, I will gladly accept that.
Jacob Jax.
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A lot of the main stage performers will do a close-up show during the cruise as an extra bit (usually to sell dvds), but I've never met anyone who does exclusively close-up on a ship.

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Richard
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I work for RCCL all the time and I've never seen it. Often times the bartenders learn a couple of tricks to keep people entertained but that's not really what you're talking about.

Peter
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Thanks peter and richard, this is what is assumed, but I was hoping it was not true. Do you think it would make sense to pitch a close up show to a cruise line like NCL or Carnival, or another line?
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Jacob,

No I don't think it really makes sense, because unless I'm wrong, what you're selling isn't really what they are looking for. If you're young and unencumbered and you have a burning desire to work on a cruise ship, you might consider applying as a member of a a cruise director staff: running games, teaching line dancing, MC contests. It's a great chance to learn how to work a room, get comfortable on stage, and experience ship life.

My other suggestion is to do a bit more research and find customers who are looking for what you are selling (close up magic) rather then try to fight your way against the current.

Best of luck

peter
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Celebrity cruises tried having close up in their champagne bar/cigar lounge years ago. It lasted about two weeks. They need acts that everyone (thats's 2000-3500 passengers) can see.
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Thanks folks, you saved me a lot of time and energy.
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Actually I know of a company that is booking close up magicians now for RCCL. The catch is they charge you to work on the line. Just a small fee to cover port taxes but to me this is insane! Why would someone pay to perform. Another person said they don't do magic full time and to have such a cheap cruise is a bonus. I say that it's taking work from professionals ...

Don't ask the name of the company. I prefer not to promote their idea any further than to say it is a bad idea.

Cheers,

Shawn
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Hi Shawn, I'm just home from Royal Caribbean today, I've never heard of this trend! Maybe it's something like the enrichment lecturers, some of whom pay their own air or port fees & get a cruise? Wow.
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This is a scam. There are many websites on the internet promoting the idea of finding work for performing artists and charging the artists a fee. Don't buy that!!! I have been working as a professional performer for 20+ years, I have performed around the world (most of my career has consisted of international bookings) including cruise ships, I have worked with many agents and I personally know several hundreds of professional performers of all kinds from all parts of the world (the people I have performed with and became friends with on my countless journeys). Not one of those artists got a single gig from agencies that charge performers a fee to get them some work. In real life an agent finds you work and he charges his commission from the client only after he finds you work. As an artist you pay nothing (in some cases agents make such an agreement that their fees are to be added onto artists' fee and the whole amount is to be paid to the artist - only then an artist sends an agent the agreed to commission). If the agency is successful enough to find you work, why would they charge you in advance? There are absolutely no guarantees they will find you work and believe me, you won't get it. I have discussed this a lot with my fellow performers from all 5 continents as there were lots of them who were naive enough to make deals with agencies charging them a fee in advance. Not even one of them got a gig from such an agency. This is a well known scum, so beware...

Most of the cruise lines do have their favorite booking agents for artists and believe me, these are all very good and very agencies with very good reputation. The agencies are very well established in this kind of business for years and they earn big bucks from the cruise lines. Why would an agent want to charge an artist who may not have so much money as opposed to charging a multi billion company such as an average cruise line?

Also stories like - you won't get paid much on the cruise as you get to see the world for free are simply not true. Cruise lines deal with professionals in all areas and of all lines of work, and believe me they do pay everyone working for them. Especially the performers.

Furthermore, I and many of the fellow magicians working on various cruise lines worldwide wrote a lot of posts regarding the fact that cruise lines do not book close up performers, so believe us - it is true. The magicians working on cruise ships are somehow well connected and often they know each other personally or through emails and discussion forums. We are a sort of an informal network. Trust me, when the cruise lines start booking the close up performers, we (the stage/cabaret performers on cruise ships) will be the first ones to know it. And I'm sure someone will write a post here in the Café as soon as it happens. For now it is not likely to happen due to the cruise lines' artist booking policies, but who knows, maybe some day it will and you'll be the first ones to get to know it.

Until then, you can mostly consider rumors like "I've heard they have strolling close up magicians on XY cruise line" as untrue and agencies finding work for close up magicians for a fee as scams.
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On 2008-01-27 12:23, Shawn Farquhar wrote:
Actually I know of a company that is booking close up magicians now for RCCL. The catch is they charge you to work on the line. Just a small fee to cover port taxes but to me this is insane! Why would someone pay to perform. Another person said they don't do magic full time and to have such a cheap cruise is a bonus. I say that it's taking work from professionals ...

Don't ask the name of the company. I prefer not to promote their idea any further than to say it is a bad idea.

Cheers,

Shawn


It may possible they are booking private entertainers to promote group cruise sales. As groups are booked by the travel agents, they earn free cabin space when certain sales levels are reached. These are often used by group escorts, but it is possible some agencies would feel offering the use of an entertainer for the groups meeting (Strolling at a cocktail party for example) would help boost sales. Of course, in this case the entertainer would not really be associated with the cruise line, but with the travel agency that booked the group. It could be a way to get a cheap cruise (if you only pay the port charges and taxes after the sailing date is set and you are guaranteed to go), but it would be very unlikely to make you any inroads with the cruise lines as far as repeat bookings or performing contracts.

Thanks,
Richard
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I've worked ships pretty steadily since 1980(!)and have never seen a close up performer & I've been on at least fifty ships.
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We met a guy this week who was visiting Vegas, and he says he does walk around magic for Carnival. He was from India, and he's a full-fledged crew member, working 6-8 hours every day in the dining room and doing other side jobs, and he stays on the ship for at least 6 months at a time. He said he's the only close up magician working for the cruise line. We've never seen anyone on Royal Caribbean doing close up.
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So as I said I didn't want to promote the company but here is the URL .. Please don't try to take one of these jobs as it will only hurt or industry. If you can't be booked to work a ship and you can't afford to pay to cruise ...do Something else!

http://www.sixthstar.com/index.php?modul......E_id=763

Jul 13 - Jul 20
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Aug 03 - Aug 10
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Aug 10 - Aug 17
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Why then??
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They tried to get me to do their bunk deal! and then wanted me to get my friends signed up (magicians).... paying to work on a cruise ship, SCAM!
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CCL had a close up magician once on the Legend. He worked the dining room. I can't say what they paid him but he was from India and CCL had to pay him a certain fee as required by the Indian Government. It was a very low amount. I haven't seen him since nor any other close up guys. I will say the man was very happy to be doing what he loved for an amount he would have a hard time making in India.
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That's the same guy we talked to. He was visiting Vegas and he told us he works on Carnival and does walk around in the dining room, working 7 days a week. Unfortunately he's also considered a crew member with lots of restrictions and disadvantages, compared to working as a guest entertainer with passenger status, but as you said, he seemed to be very happy with his job! - Mistie
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Short story I thought you might enjoy...

Many, many, moons ago, I was once asked by an agent to perform close up on a cruise ship!

The problem was, this booking was going through several different agents, so getting any (and I mean ANY) details out of the agent that was in direct contact with me, (who was an agent I should've dropped like a stone but didn't, because at that stage of the game, I was incredibly young and naieve, anyway), was like getting blood out of a stone!

Eventually, so I could get some answers, I drove three to four hours, to go and meet up with the agent that I beleive, (but now, I'm not too sure) was dealing directly with the cruise shipping company.

I waited for several hours after my appointment time, only to discover that the money was laughable (something like $150 per week...and they wouldn't even tell me if that was gross or net!), there would be no passenger status and I would be expected to perform other duties (like changing beds, etc.), plus, god knows what else...my mind has this pleasant habit of deleting all the truly horrible memories.

They told me to think about it. As soon as I got home, I phoned up my agent and immediately told them NO-WAY!

Needless to say, all hell broke loose as soon as the message got back to the people that I'd been to see! All the agents were furious, saying that I'd wasted their and all the other agents time.

I polietely explained that no-ones time would have been wasted (above all mine, when I'd driven 3-4 hours & waited for several hours after the appointment time), if I'd been given all the information that I'd requested at the out-set!

End of story!

Moral of story...1. Deal with only with truly honest agents that you trust! 2. It's up to the agents to give you the information that you request and to work on both the client and your behalf's, that's what their commision is for!
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