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Duckfan New user 7 Posts |
Sorry for the confusion, but in regards to my prior post what I mean is, does the content in the Ammar DVDs teach the same as the content in the Royal Road DVDs, or is one better than the other? Better put and money not being an option, what are the best DVDs to purchase to learn from.
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professorwhut Inner circle Posts R US sold me 1353 Posts |
This is like comparing apples to oranges. The Ammar DVDs are primarily focused on SPECIFIC CARD TRICKS. Royal Road focuses primarily on general and basic card sleights and manipulation, with various card tricks mixed in. For the beginner, I would suggest Royal Road first, then move on to Easy to Master Card Miracles.
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
Cards never lie
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andre combrinck Special user South Africa 953 Posts |
Mark Wilson, then Card College, followed by Ammar. If you follow this order, you won't be sorry. Mark Wilson will give you a solid foundation in all areas. Card College will give you all the sleights, plus how to make them more deceptive(invisible). After this, you can learn all the classic effects - some of them simplified (simplified, not weakened) in Ammar's excellent series.
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0045 New user 70 Posts |
A year or two ago at the age of 42 I rediscovered a long lost love of magic and mentalism.
I bought The Ammar Series and the Royal Road, both are superb learning aides. I would also suggest a dvd on card sleights, I have Kaufmann's "Basic card techniques" (much denigrated on this site but I found it to be very clear and understandable if somewhat unexciting.) You are never too old to have fun so go for it. Regards 0045 |
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Hoppini, the Mediocre New user Canada 41 Posts |
Heck, I just started out and I'm 38. Long as your hands are good, you should be fine for sleights. I got lucky in that over the years I managed to have jobs that were't too hard on the hands...so I have pretty young fingers. (My wife says I have girly hands)
Funny...so far I havent had trouble with most of the coin sleights and vanishes. Strangely enough though, one of the things I'm really having trouble with is the graceful way you're supposed to open your hand after you've vanished a coin. |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
Way to go . . . .
Cards never lie
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owln_1 Loyal user dallas /now live by tulsa 222 Posts |
Jeff McBride Art Of Card Manipulation Vol 1 - 3 if you are wanting to learn card flourishes, and Mark Wilson for tricks and standard sleighs.
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Magicray69 Veteran user Tampa Bay 369 Posts |
Don't forget Harry Lorayne's "Close Up Card Magic". A lot of bang for the buck.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Don't do in magic what I did when I first started out in golf. That is, try and buy a game. New clubs, hit the ball straighter and longer, the magic ball, the magic putter.
Use what you have and learn. Of course you will want to purchase some effects, and there is nothing wrong in that. This is the ideal place to learn what is good and what is not. You are on the right track already, as you asked.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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jay g New user 6 Posts |
I am 31 and have just started trying to learn magic seriously. I too went down a road of buying everything. I have spent a lot of money buying books, DVDs, and props/gimmicks thinking that the next one I buy will be the strongest trick, yet then, when I receive it, I don't spend the time to learn it, and it sits gathering dust.
So now I have decided to put it all away and have kept out my Royal Road book/DVD and my copy of 13 Steps. I am planning on learning everything in these books before I even touch anything else. That was a few weeks ago and, so far, I have stuck to my plan, although I did my Luke Jermay's E.I. Anyway, have I gone down that same path as anyone else, buying loads and learning nothing? Let me know how you got out of it. Jay |
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sjballa147 Loyal user Tennessee 278 Posts |
Mark Wilson's Encyclopedia is a great way to start. I use it just as the title says, an encyclopedia. If I am trying to think of a sleight, etc., I will pop open the book and see what it says. His book really is a must have.
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The Amazing Noobini Inner circle Oslo, Norway 1658 Posts |
The only real disadvantage with starting late that I can think of (besides missing out on a few decades of magic fun and experience) is that unless you are a natural performer or show person already, it can be difficult to get into such a role now.
Kids and teenagers are shameless and fearless and will typically jump at any chance to show off fresh new skillz. So by the time they get to be our age, they have an easier time entertaining people in a cool, relaxed manner. Or a lot of experience with it, anyway. When you are fortyish, you may for instance have fears that your friends who are serious people and who are used to seeing you as a serious person may think that it is a bit uncool for you to suddenly take up these silly, goofy magic things. Well, I hope you aren't plagued by such insecure thoughts. I mention it because I have had a lot of them myself, and they are not necessarily productive thoughts. I started with magic for the first time in my life just under two years ago. And, I have had no age-related problems learning sleight of hand. Everything is going great besides the fact that I'm sure my friends all think that I'm having one heck of a midlife crisis. But, they are probably happy as long as I haven't (yet) bought a vintage motorcycle and started hitting on their teenage daughters. What the others say about not buying too much stuff is very true! I have done that, and it is hard to get out of buying new things and into working on things you already have. Good luck!
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ravens25 New user 11 Posts |
I started seriously about a year ago at 35 and bought too much stuff and ended up losing interest. I learned alot, but after a week I would forget a lot of it. I've now changed my focus on mastering a few card tricks and getting deep into mentalism. I'm a corporate trainer and I think I can work mentalism effects into my training very well. In my line of work I think magic or mentalism makes a far better "icebreaker" than a tired joke or a silly internet video prior to a powerpoint presentation.
My main piece of advice would be to stay with this forum for advice and stay away from the ellusionist forums. I'm not going to knock ellusionist products because some of them are quite good, but their forums are terrible. Those kids over there will discourage you and everyone of them thinks they are masters at this craft. |
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gbradburn New user Raleigh, NC 75 Posts |
Okay, I will disregard the question about age since that's already been answered quite decisively
I agree that less is more and would recommend that you start with one book, in this, the Royal Road to Card Magic. Take your time and work through it, sequentially and take as long as you need on each section to master it before moving on. Resist the temptation to skip around. I don't think you need the DVD initially, start with the book and only get the DVD if you really get stuck on something and need a more visual presentation. Good luck, Greg.
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MattSconce Special user 654 Posts |
That royal road is a great suggestion!
Other effects:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/magician/matt-sconce |
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NurseRob Elite user Dallas, TX 469 Posts |
Get a good chop cup and learn the Don Alan routine. Then get a 3 cup set and learn the cups and balls routine from Mark Wilson. Once you get the Cups and balls rolling, there will be no stopping you.
Ut imago est animi voltus sic indices oculi ~
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necroloid Special user Kadar knows all and sees all of my 921 Posts |
I too am 42 and just starting to get back in after life got in the way. I however see buying lots of different things a natural part of exploring the art of magic. I have bought tons of stuff much of it I don't use . Do I regret it? No. It is part of the learning process in my opinion. If you can avoid it, great but I believe that I have learned a lot from my many and varied purchases.
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