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sportshooter
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On 2008-02-01 11:24, h2o wrote:
If I ever want to learn cheating with dice, I think I'd focus on cheating moves and gaffs best suited for the Backgammon style of play.


Cheating at Backgammon coming soon...

http://www.cheatingat.com/index.html
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Cheating at Backgammon coming soon...

http://www.cheatingat.com/index.html


I guess with Steve Forte GPS vol 4 I'd already have enough moves and ideas to start with...
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The two games played for money at my place are Backgammon and Poker but there is no game protection to speak of on the Backgammon and there are some big money games here from time to time. Most of the time though it is smallish stakes here.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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Doc is right about the use of holdouts and not getting caught up in being a sleight of hand purist when it comes to making money. We've discussed it at length and are in agreement for the most part. Doc's holdout design is excellent and works very well. I have a few of my own design that I feel are excellent as well. Everything has it's use. But just for the record, none of my empty hand switches that I made reference to make use of a back palm, holdout, clip, or any clothing.
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In my opinion, I would listen to DOC. He is being honest and sincere...Most of all he logic is very practical, while reducing risk.

Of course, the fancy stuff is fun and builds egos.....but, may not be perfectly safe.

You are always better off safe than sorry and end up "clean". Or at least what appears to be clean Smile
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What is a clean hand dice switch? Exactly.
magician8
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A dice switch in which your hand can be shown clean after the roll , exactly.


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I consider a "clean hand" switch to be one where the hand is actualy empty after the roll, or before and after the roll. That's how all my empty handed switches are.
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On 2008-02-01 09:44, card cheat wrote:
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On 2008-02-01 08:32, Unknown419 wrote:
A second deal isn't worth a plum nickel without a marked (gaffed) deck.


Doc... look at what you just said here.

Allow me to say that I have never played paper, and my second deal has been worth one HELL of a lot more than a "plum" nickel.

I hate to say this, but you should know better than that.

Now, I'll finish reading the rest of your post.

CC


Readers Card Cheat is right and I'm wrong. I was in a hurry and wrote too fast and forgot to say that you could use a second deal while peeking or using a shiner - my bad.

Thanks for the correction, these here readers need to understand that in order to learn the correct way of cheating, a person needs to listen to everybody (all the cheaters) and not just one because no one person has all the sense and this is how we learn and become better.


Respectfully,

Doc
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On 2008-02-01 10:25, Mr. Z wrote:

In terms of private games anything can go depending. I'm somewhat in agreement with Doc here--I think in this situation you're best off resorting to gaffs to win the money faster rather than fooling around with a percentage move like a controlled shot that can become exposed to the other players--basically what Doc said. Not for me to say really, private dice games aren't something I'm too knowledgeable in.


Readers please read between the lines and listen to all advice that sounds good. As Mr. Z. is not knowledgeable about street games I am not knowledgeable about casino play so take the advice of which ever one you need and apply it accordingly. Walking Liberty could explain control shots better than anyone I know here so his advice would better for all to listen to at this moment.

Mr. Z. my advice at the moment is to listen to your new teachers in this here area and move accordingly. They can direct you much better than I.


Respectfully,

Doc
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Why is that no one is asking Walking Liberty any questions regarding dice switching, control shots etc.? How can a teacher teach if the student(s) doesn't ask questions?

Note: When a man incorporate Bo Bo's coin switches that he learned as a magician and then apply them to dice switching, you have a genius on your hands especially if he can shoot control shots as well.


Respectfully,

Doc
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Please, stand and listen to what "Walking Liberty" has to say if you want to role dice and not get killed.
I speak the truth when I say Walking Liberty and Doc both taught me more than how to just cheat at games.

I am truely sincere when I say these men have saved my life in more ways than one.


Jeremy

PS. Doc I am still progressing.
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Doc and Jeremy,

I appreciate the kind words. It's funny that people always complain about there not being any good sources to learn dice work from. Maybe because you can't wow people as much with some dice as you can with a deck of cards. Who knows. And this stuff isn't for show, although it could be, it's for making money. But for people that really want to learn, I'm always willing to help out.
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If you can show a clean hand after the switch, where and how do you ditch the dice? Are there any videos of this anywhere?
tommy
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“Harry never holds.”
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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On 2008-02-06 09:20, ronfour wrote:
If you can show a clean hand after the switch, where and how do you ditch the dice? Are there any videos of this anywhere?


Yes there are. A lot if them actualy. A few people here on the Café have seen them.
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I want to become a serious dice student as well. I feel that learning how to do a simple (not easy!) palm switch and controlled dice shots is the way to start my dice hustling career. Am I right or wrong in assuming this? I am not really sure how to do it, I will try to learn from Mr Forte's 4th tape. If I eventually learn something, I will definitely ask you for more directions WL, if you want to help, well, that is up to you.

Take care

Kim
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Kim,

Learning the "classic" palm switch is the best place to start because once you get it down perfect the other switches you learn or invent will come easier. There are a lot of different control shots out there and they are all worth learning. If you want to PM me I can help you with where to start.
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You won't learn the "classic" palm switch from the Forte dice tape. That's because it isn't on there. Or any other cheating tape/DVD that I know of. Little known fact...
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On 2008-02-06 18:37, MagicKim wrote:
I want to become a serious dice student as well. I feel that learning how to do a simple (not easy!) palm switch and controlled dice shots is the way to start my dice hustling career. Am I right or wrong in assuming this? I am not really sure how to do it, I will try to learn from Mr Forte's 4th tape. If I eventually learn something, I will definitely ask you for more directions WL, if you want to help, well, that is up to you.

Take care

Kim


Learn how to play dice, that's probably more important at this stage.
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
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