I'm working on a routine where I need to drop the bottom dollar coin from a stack of three held in EG. This isn't normally a problem, but the centre coin in this case is in an exp [ and I'm having a hard time stopping it from dropping with the bottom coin.

Is this a case of More Practice Required? Are there any wise tips I might try? Your help appreciated!

Without being able to see your hands, I'd pretty much say it is a case of more practice. You need to learn that fine point between how hard you grip and the coins falling. In most cases such a problem comes from gripping the coins too hard to start with.

You're probably right! I had a similar challenge in Latta's "Trick with Three Coins", but practice seems to have ironed out that problem...

I still have problems consistently dropping one coin from EG. So what I do is cheat and use my middle finger to pull lightly on the edge of the bottom coin to jog it slightly....of course this does require some slight hand movement.

I don't know if that would help in your case or not.

Dropping single coins is no problem - it's the coin in the [ that hitches a ride along with it that gives the headache. I need to KEEP the coin in there in this case.

I CAN do it now and again, but obviously need more consistency!

What if the [ was slightly off the coin, so the grip would be on the coin and not just the [?

The center stack is bigger than the top and bottom. Meaning, by putting pressure on the bottom coin, you can hold all coins. But if you put the pressure on the center coin, the bottom coin will fall. I use deep EG not Roth EG.

I gave this a try with halves and with some minor adjusting to get a roll of flesh "under" the edge of the [ and I was fine! Took me 5 mins of adjusting and had it down 10 out of 10 in about 30 mins.
Hope that helps!
Mick

Without knowing the structure of the routine it's impossible to tell if this idea will work, but if it doesn't screw up the rest of the flow, find a way to invert the E[ before it goes into edge grip.

TW

All you have to do is stagger the coins.

Iain,
If the larger coin-shell-is in the middle of the stack-good luck, trying to drop only the smaller coin, which is on the bottom of the stack, first. That's why-and it doesn't matter which grip you use, the larger coin, is the first to go.

-It holds all the other coins above it in place.
-Check out items mentioned by Cody Fisher, David Neighbors, Doug Brewer and others explaining this particular point.
-In most cases, the smaller coin is palmed first, with the larger coin-shell-palmed on bottom of it.
-If there is a routine-and I'd like to know which one it is- could it be Misty like a Dream? that calls for an expanded shelled coin to be sandwiched between two regular coins and allowing the regular coin to drop first, without the shelled coin going along for the ride, let me know.
-I think I've only run across this twice, in routines. Can't remember which ones. I think Misty was one of them.
-In any event, I altered my handlings to allow the larger coin to be palmed on the bottom ( palm down) of the stack.

Jim

Is this the Kurtz routine?

I have found that by slightly rolling the thumb up towards the top of the stack you can drop the bottom coin more reliably.

I usually apply pressure between bottom coin and the [ed coin...

just keep it steady....

Hope this help
Andre

Well if that doesn't work then try doing an edge grip production taught in COE or if it has to be dropped the will's idea of staggering would work very well.

Jim, I DID start with Misty Like a Dream [very astute!], and as TW recommends I simply turned the [ over which solved the immediate problem. However, I'm now curious about how to achieve the drop reliably in any case.

JTW, rolling the thumb is what Kurtz suggests in MLAD. It helps, but not enough for me [yet!].

Oh, and Jim, I'd be interested in your revised handling with the [ at bottom of the stack!

You know-After reviewing some shelled coin routines, I'm not completely convinced about or by my previous statement. I guess I should keep my mouth shut until I shake off the hangover.

Jim

Prevention is the best cure for a hangover.

I always found this problem interesting because, it suggests that you don;t have all the coins in edge grip but your griping the bottoms coin and the others are sitting on top. As TW said flip the gaff over. I remember a few instances in Kainoas booklet on gaff coins where he insures the gaff coin ends up this way

Kurtz gives all the information in great detail on his video. His performance and technique is superlative. I would suggest students learning this routine to follow his detailed instruction as described before finding the need to "improve" the handling.

Kurtz tip about rolling the finger up is perfect in this instance. It makes it easier with the shelled coin in the middle. I don't see how it could make it harder. If you're trying to drop the bottom coin of 3 and they're all the same size, to me that is way harder than having a shell in the middle. I guess watch the video and read the book, he's got your answers.

Pete